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The 2nd Amendment preserves us, somewhat, from tyranny. The world could become a cess-pool unable to support life before I think humanity should wholly suffer tyranny. "Give me liberty or give me death" ring a bell? It's just a little American.
On the topic of gays, yes it's also a key issue. I don't care what homosexuals do in private and I could really care less if they have powers of attorney and whatever they're looking for. However, the tax advantage of marriage is to help produce what every nation needs: more people. Why homosexuals think they're entitled to that is beyond me.
Further, HIV/AIDS funding from the government. For better or worse, gays contract that stuff at a rate much faster than heteros. When public tax dollars are supposed to be ripped-off to pay to save some from their lifestyle choice is a slap in the face. Regrettably, that segment of the population is always teamed with people who think the government should be used to finance the lifestyles of others. For that reason alone, any effort to make homosexuality acceptable should be fought.
wonderful so the world needs more people? because more people would require more taxes and you don't seem to like that assumption.
As for your AIDS arguement Africa has the highest rate of infection and they seem to be full of heteros.
Do you know any Gay people? Because if you did you would know the vast majority are wealthy for the most part. Ever heard of DINKs? ( Dual Income No Kids) equates to partners who have incomes, pay taxes and their health insurance.
Regrettably, that segment of the population is always teamed with people who think the government should be used to finance the lifestyles of others. For that reason alone, any effort to make homosexuality acceptable should be fought.
When you look at the posts regarding guns (2991) and gays (2606) on the first page of the Politics and Other Controversies first page, the sheer number outweighs all other topics combined. Are these the two top issues that should be leading the list, or are there other controversies that merit discussion.
I have thoughts on the subjects, but for me, these are not pressing number one kind of issues. Are these the key issues of our day in your opinion?
No, not really. I am not worried about my guns or the rights to use them going away anytime soon and while I do not support the homosexual lifestyle, it is of no concern to me what other consenting adults do with their lives.
I suspect that part of the reason for the things you pointed out is that when you discuss issues that can be argued with more analytical, statistical, and detailed data, that most folks eyes glaze over, offering up that blank stare. Much like watching some of our posters get intimately detailed and nuanced about the intricacies of global finance, my eyes glaze over as I don't even pretend to understand how it is all related.
However the two issues you outlined (and others like them) are both more social in nature and thus have long held belief structures associated with them as well as invoke strong emotional responses because of it. People, and especially Americans absolutely live to "feel" a topic as opposed to topics that require responses more critically or analytical in nature.
When you look at the posts regarding guns (2991) and gays (2606) on the first page of the Politics and Other Controversies first page, the sheer number outweighs all other topics combined. Are these the two top issues that should be leading the list, or are there other controversies that merit discussion.
I have thoughts on the subjects, but for me, these are not pressing number one kind of issues. Are these the key issues of our day in your opinion?
No, not at all. But I think that these are issues that are very personal to many people, they are gut reaction topics.
Those that support gay rights are usually very emotional regarding their support because most of the time it is something that effects them or their loved ones personally. Those that are opposed to gay rights feel very secure in their position because they find it rooted in the Bible and this stirs up a lot of passion.
The guns thing I find a little more confusing because while I do agree with the individuals right to bear arms, I don't see this right being threatened (unless you live in Washington DC, and I agree, that law needs to be changed). You can own a gun as long as you can prove that you are not a criminal or crazy and as long as that gun is not an AK-47, this seems pretty fair, so I'm not sure why there is such passion on the pro-gun side.
When you look at the posts regarding guns (2991) and gays (2606) on the first page of the Politics and Other Controversies first page, the sheer number outweighs all other topics combined. Are these the two top issues that should be leading the list, or are there other controversies that merit discussion.
I have thoughts on the subjects, but for me, these are not pressing number one kind of issues. Are these the key issues of our day in your opinion?
What is interesting to me is,a LOT of those who support restricting the right to self defense, support giving the 'right' to marry to gays...
On one hand restricting others rights is okay because it seems they don't care that much about it or it doesn't affect them too much but for some reason gay people being unable to have a legal right to marry is an outrage.
Perhaps people might simply stop supporting govenrment interference in our lives and then theses issues would be resolved?
It is not the governments business to sanction marriage.
It is also not the governments business to decide what firearms we can own.
Since I'm sure it'll be used again in this thread and others, would someone please explain to me what the "homosexual lifestyle" is, and how it differs from other lifestyles?
Since I'm sure it'll be used again in this thread and others, would someone please explain to me what the "homosexual lifestyle" is, and how it differs from other lifestyles?
Well, it normally doesn't have anyone of the opposite sex involved...and in the case of male homosexuality, involves the use of holes meant for output not input...
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Well, it normally doesn't have anyone of the opposite sex involved...and in the case of male homosexuality, involves the use of holes meant for output not input...
In case youve been living in a bubble here's a bulletin, the behavior you're speaking of has good, bad, or indifferent, historically not been limted to homosexuals.
In case youve been living in a bubble here's a bulletin, the behavior you're speaking of has good, bad, or indifferent, historically not been limted to homosexuals.
I thought as much, so, with that in mind, I have to wonder about the existence of this "homosexual lifestyle" that is so often cited.
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Guns and gays are important. I think that gays should have the right to carry arms just like any other American has. And then when the redneck gay bashers show up, the gays should feel free to use their guns to defend themselves as any other American does. Gays had better wake up the the fact that gay bashing and attacks on gays are only going to get worse as the election gets closer and the rednecks see that they are going to lose. There will be more Matthew Sheppards and more Eric Randolph Rudolphs around. So the gays need to reconsider having guns.
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They are key issues.
The 2nd Amendment preserves us, somewhat, from tyranny. The world could become a cess-pool unable to support life before I think humanity should wholly suffer tyranny. "Give me liberty or give me death" ring a bell? It's just a little American.
On the topic of gays, yes it's also a key issue. I don't care what homosexuals do in private and I could really care less if they have powers of attorney and whatever they're looking for. However, the tax advantage of marriage is to help produce what every nation needs: more people. Why homosexuals think they're entitled to that is beyond me.
Further, HIV/AIDS funding from the government. For better or worse, gays contract that stuff at a rate much faster than heteros. When public tax dollars are supposed to be ripped-off to pay to save some from their lifestyle choice is a slap in the face. Regrettably, that segment of the population is always teamed with people who think the government should be used to finance the lifestyles of others. For that reason alone, any effort to make homosexuality acceptable should be fought.
Homosexuality is NORMAL to homosexuals. It may not seem to you and me but to them, it is perfectly normal. Nobody knows what causes homosexuality- whether it is genetic or psychological but the evidence is that the homosexual did not "choose" to be gay anymore than me or you choose to be regular. We need more research into the causes of homosexuality and possible ways to prevent it in the future or even change it for existing homosexuals. But until then it is the right, correct and CHRISTIAN thing to accept homosexuality and to embrace the gay community. This includes giving them full legal rights and full legal protections. As Americans they deserve no less.
I am not 100% in tune with the idea of gay marriages myself but I am so sick of the gay bashing I hear all the time from small minded bigots and Republicans that I am inclined to accept gay marriages as a way to move past gay bashing and on to more important things.
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