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re: guns and gays
self defense not a major issue?
both groups have some political strength. probably why you are seeing the posts so much. i don't have a vested interest in the gay, but guns, we got a 2nd amendment right folks are tryin really hard to pull down. defense of the constitution for me is an issue. it has already been damaged by a "reinterpretation" of self defense to all but the most narrow of terms. this hurts our police military and our citizens. self defense and guns are meaningless terms to those who have never had their reality bubble popped.
Location: Jonquil City (aka Smyrna) Georgia- by Atlanta
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What is interesting to me is,a LOT of those who support restricting the right to self defense, support giving the 'right' to marry to gays...
On one hand restricting others rights is okay because it seems they don't care that much about it or it doesn't affect them too much but for some reason gay people being unable to have a legal right to marry is an outrage.
Perhaps people might simply stop supporting govenrment interference in our lives and then theses issues would be resolved?
It is not the governments business to sanction marriage.
It is also not the governments business to decide what firearms we can own.
That is not true in my case. I fully support your right to have guns and to get a permit to carry one in public if you wish. But there should be restrictions with the responsibility. For example, if you desire a weapons permit to carry, you should be put through a training course and have to prove you can safely carry a weapon, fire it accurately and know when you can and cannot legally display and/or use a weapon. But once you do, I fully support your right to carry anyplace a police officer can carry because, by being trained, you have in effect joined "the militia" as the 2nd Amendment speaks of.
I also am 100% in full support of gay rights and have been for years. Although I prefer Civil Unions to marriages, I am for full legal rights. Gays are American citizens and should not be treated in any other way.
Gays had better wake up the the fact that gay bashing and attacks on gays are only going to get worse as the election gets closer and the rednecks see that they are going to lose.
So now anybody who doesn't support special rights for all those wonderful homosexuals and embrace that lifestyle as something holy are equated to Hitler?
We need more research into the causes of homosexuality and possible ways to prevent it in the future or even change it for existing homosexuals.
Why?
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I am not 100% in tune with the idea of gay marriages myself but I am so sick of the gay bashing I hear all the time from small minded bigots and Republicans that I am inclined to accept gay marriages as a way to move past gay bashing and on to more important things.
Personally, I think it's difficult for just about anyone to envision being completely comfortable with something he or she has never seen becoming a reality, if he's being honest with himself. That being said, if you have known long-term, committed same-sex couples, I don't see why it would seem strange to you, or that you wouldn't "100% in tune with it," as you said.
But it seems mighty contradictory to me that you think a person's orientation should be "cured," yet are willing to grant it legitimacy in the legal and social senses.
So now anybody who doesn't support special rights for all those wonderful homosexuals and embrace that lifestyle as something holy are equated to Hitler?
No one said anything about "special rights," and certainly no one on this board that I've seen has said anything about homosexuality being singled out as "holy." You're putting words in people's mouths.
Location: Jonquil City (aka Smyrna) Georgia- by Atlanta
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So now anybody who doesn't support special rights for all those wonderful homosexuals and embrace that lifestyle as something holy are equated to Hitler?
Human rights are not "special rights". They are rights given by God that no man should take away. Anybody that opposes them is like Hitler. Maybe even worse because after Hitler we all should know better. If you don't then maybe you need to go see the Halocaust Museum in Washington. It will open your eyes.
Homosexuality Is Unnatural,perverse An Abomination'
We've already covered this topic in innumerable threads. Modest research will tell you that it is natural behavior that has been observed in mammals. Whether it's "perverse" or an "abomination" is subjective. That's your opinion, which, by itself, doesn't dictate laws.
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Since I'm sure it'll be used again in this thread and others, would someone please explain to me what the "homosexual lifestyle" is, and how it differs from other lifestyles?
Your joking right. Homosexual lifestyles involve two same sex people having sex together. Normal lifestyles have oposite sex people having sex. In a normal lifestyle we often see children born as a result of this sexual activity so we recognize marriage between them & they are given some few tax breaks & treated as a family unit regarding insurance & other things.
In a not normal homosexual relationship all the sex in the world wont bring about anything except the sexual gratification of those involved. Since its benefit to society at large are non existent theres no reason at all for special treatment. The entire arguement is silly & only exists because its better to make believe than to hurt someones feelings.
I dont like hurting peoples feelings but since nobody seems to mind hurting the feelings of people who live normal lives by lumping them in with sexual deviants, in this case I dont sweat it a bit.
Homosexuality isn't a big deal at all until they start wanting to be something theyre not, like a married couple. Theyre simply people of the same sex that enjoy having sex with each other. If two same sex people love each other & want to share a life thats fine but wanting to gain a sense of normalcy by forcing society to recognize marriages or adopting kids is pretty silly. IMO anyway.
All it did to me personally was force me to explain biology to my children at an earlier age, before an adopted kid living with a same sex family or a gay teacher tried to tell them that whats not normal is normal if enough people say it is.
As far as guns go, In my life guns are an important thing so I care about abusive legislation regarding them & uninformed or ignorant opinions about them.
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