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Deflect? Or expand the scope of this discussion beyond just "Buttigieg is a leftist"? The impact of the construction of freeways in urban areas is worth having. Too bad this one immediately devolved into a lot of "leftist this" "leftist that" blather.
Huh? This thread is precisely about Buttigieg and his Leftist narrative of roads and race. If you don’t like the topic, go talk to Buttigieg. He’s the one pushing it. If you want to expand the scope, you can go start another thread in the urban planning subforum.
Huh? This thread is precisely about Buttigieg and his Leftist narrative of roads and race. If you want to expand the scope, you can go start another thread in the urban planning subforum.
ANY highway/expressway/parkway will have some negative impacts on a few people
just like highspeed rail, if it ever happens, will have negative impacts
Exactly. If you live immediately by it, it will probably be negative like air quality, noise, traffic, etc. but they also have positives too like access to highways, better transit and easier travel.
You seem to conveniently leave out his whole narrative about roads and race. You jumped on that bandwagon until you were proven wrong and now you want to change the topic. Typical.
I am not reading any of your possibly Leftist slanted links. I live in this area and know the history of the Cross Bronx. It had a devastating impact on the neighborhoods immediately surrounding it. It basically cut off neighborhoods from each other.
As with everything, there are good and bad. As a whole, the Cross Bronx was not all negative as it did allow for better movement of people and goods through the Bronx and NYC. Without highways, NYC surely would not have been able to grow to be as successful as it has. You have to take the bad with the good sometimes.
Regardless, you are only trying to deflect from the topic, which is that the Democrats claim that highways like the Cross Bronx was due to racism when in fact it was not.
Translation: If I deny, deflect, and bury my head in the sand, then I don't have to.....in my own mind..... expose myself to being wrong.
Moses could easily have lessened the damage to some of the neighborhoods his freeways passed through by slightly altering the routes. Like running the Gowanus Expressway in Sunset Park, Brooklyn up 2nd Avenue instead of the commercial heart of the neighborhood 3rd Avenue. Likewise a slight alteration to the Cross-Bronx in East Tremont would have spared many residences and buildings and would have lessened the blight that followed in its wake. But Moses would always reject and ignore any community concerns about the effect of his projects no matter how rational and reasonable those concerns were.
Robert Moses did not care about race...any race... he wanted to build roads that would be economical yet productive
for example the SOB Seaford Oyster bay expressway, was SUPPOSED to go through Oyster Bay, and then across the sound (with a bridge) to Bridgeport, Connecticut ……. the NIMBY's of oyster bay stopped him, and the result was Long Island was cut off from a natural way to New England
the Cross-Bronx while not very pretty (feels like you are driving in a trench). is a god send to travel...and is the ONLY route from the GWB to the Throgs neck/whitestone (which is the northern route to get to Long island... the Cross-Bronx is part of I-95 (you know the federal highway that runs from Maine to Miami
oh and BTW Moses didn’t even build the Cross-Bronx. It wasn’t his idea, and he had no special sorcerer’s ability to force politicians to carry out his evil plans.
He was just delivering what every governor, mayor and borough president had wanted since the 1920s: more roads. The conventional wisdom was that massive highways across dense neighborhoods were a fine idea.....and... The people Moses displaced for the ’50s project were white and middle class.
oh and btw what the race baiters want ..to "cap the cross Bronx" will cost more than they think, by 100x ...the infrastructure bill includes just $7.5 billion for these type of projects across the whole country...meanwhile the cost would be in the range of 20 billion to "cap" the C-B
First, New York (City) is unlikely to shut down the highway, used by 200,000 cars and trucks each day, during construction. Politicians loathe such inconveniences.
Second, any deck longer than 1,000 feet needs ventilation shafts and structural support. That means taking more land alongside, or narrowing the roadway.
Robert Moses did not care about race...any race... he wanted to build roads that would be economical yet productive
for example the SOB Seaford Oyster bay expressway, was SUPPOSED to go through Oyster Bay, and then across the sound (with a bridge) to Bridgeport, Connecticut ……. the NIMBY's of oyster bay stopped him, and the result was Long Island was cut off from a natural way to New England
the Cross-Bronx while not very pretty (feels like you are driving in a trench). is a god send to travel...and is the ONLY route from the GWB to the Throgs neck/whitestone (which is the northern route to get to Long island... the Cross-Bronx is part of I-95 (you know the federal highway that runs from Maine to Miami
oh and BTW Moses didn’t even build the Cross-Bronx. It wasn’t his idea, and he had no special sorcerer’s ability to force politicians to carry out his evil plans.
He was just delivering what every governor, mayor and borough president had wanted since the 1920s: more roads. The conventional wisdom was that massive highways across dense neighborhoods were a fine idea.....and... The people Moses displaced for the ’50s project were white and middle class.
oh and btw what the race baiters want ..to "cap the cross Bronx" will cost more than they think, by 100x ...the infrastructure bill includes just $7.5 billion for these type of projects across the whole country...meanwhile the cost would be in the range of 20 billion to "cap" the C-B
First, New York (City) is unlikely to shut down the highway, used by 200,000 cars and trucks each day, during construction. Politicians loathe such inconveniences.
Second, any deck longer than 1,000 feet needs ventilation shafts and structural support. That means taking more land alongside, or narrowing the roadway.
Exactly. I am in northern New Jersey. I need to travel regularly to Queens and Long Island for my work. If it wasn’t for the Cross Bronx, there would not be any feasible alternative without having to go through the traffic nightmare that is Manhattan, going from stop light to stop light.
I am among millions that travel the Cross Bronx. Can you imagine all those people driving through neighborhood streets in the Bronx just to get across NYC? Can you imagine the hit to commerce in this whole NYC area if there was no Cross Bronx?
Robert Moses for all his faults literally brought NYC into the 20th century.
Then you wouldn't still be thinking they made low bridges to be racist.
1) The parkway had buses already illegal to be on it.
2) There are many overpass bridges, over 100, and it would be dramatically expensive to make them all higher for something that was illegal to take on the parkway anyways.
3) The buses when the parkway was made went to white majority neighborhoods, so it would have primarily impacted whites getting to the beach by bus down the parkway. This makes it a moot point about racist bridges.
4) There were other public transportation to that beach including from minority neighborhoods including by rail.
5) Historians that look into it say there is no evidence it was made to be racist against blacks and Puerto Ricans getting to the beach. Those historians have citations.
All Buttigieg has is woke people without citations.
Robert Moses did not care about race...any race... he wanted to build roads that would be economical yet productive
for example the SOB Seaford Oyster bay expressway, was SUPPOSED to go through Oyster Bay, and then across the sound (with a bridge) to Bridgeport, Connecticut ……. the NIMBY's of oyster bay stopped him, and the result was Long Island was cut off from a natural way to New England
the Cross-Bronx while not very pretty (feels like you are driving in a trench). is a god send to travel...and is the ONLY route from the GWB to the Throgs neck/whitestone (which is the northern route to get to Long island... the Cross-Bronx is part of I-95 (you know the federal highway that runs from Maine to Miami
oh and BTW Moses didn’t even build the Cross-Bronx. It wasn’t his idea, and he had no special sorcerer’s ability to force politicians to carry out his evil plans.
He was just delivering what every governor, mayor and borough president had wanted since the 1920s: more roads. The conventional wisdom was that massive highways across dense neighborhoods were a fine idea.....and... The people Moses displaced for the ’50s project were white and middle class.
oh and btw what the race baiters want ..to "cap the cross Bronx" will cost more than they think, by 100x ...the infrastructure bill includes just $7.5 billion for these type of projects across the whole country...meanwhile the cost would be in the range of 20 billion to "cap" the C-B
First, New York (City) is unlikely to shut down the highway, used by 200,000 cars and trucks each day, during construction. Politicians loathe such inconveniences.
Second, any deck longer than 1,000 feet needs ventilation shafts and structural support. That means taking more land alongside, or narrowing the roadway.
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