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Old 11-27-2021, 10:41 AM
 
Location: Sector 001
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And now here you are defending leftism. I don't hate leftists. I hate what they stand for, which is tyranny and anti-individualism. And if they weren't trying to enslave me with their ideology, I wouldn't give them a second thought. But that is not good enough for them. They cannot be content with their "group" going off on its own and trying any social experiment they want amongst themselves. That is just no fun at all for them because that is not what they are interested in. They are interested in one thing only: control over others.

And, as I said, if they were not interested in that I would give one iota of a damn what they do or which fantasyland social system they engaged themselves in. Just leave me out of it, and we are fine. And while they are at it, they could leave the half of the country that believes in individual liberty as I do out of it and we'd all be fine.

Here's a concept that perhaps you need to consider: there is no system that will work for both me and the "lefty" other than individual liberty. That gives me the freedom to make my own choices and the "lefty" the freedom to make his or her own choices. But, you see, that is not good enough for the "lefty." The lefty wants compliance to his or her will. THAT is why there is no solution besides divorce. Sometimes divorce is the best solution. This is one of those times. If you can put some real estate between the bully and bullied, there won't be any bullying besides amongst the bullies. Let the leftists bully themselves and leave the rest of us out of it.

Of course, there is one other solution that works quite well on most cases. Punch the bully in the nose and knock him on his ass. But I don't think any of us want that. So if we can't live together and we don't want to kill each other, the best solution is once again... a divorce.
The righties can be guilty of this as well, it's just that the lefties are the ones that have all the power right now. To a degree it's wired into our specie's DNA to want to control others, because of our herd nature. True tolerance for one another (and not the fake tolerance the left preaches they have when they don't) is a learned behavior.. it's not inherit to our genetic makeup. I'd argue the extreme left and extreme right have more in common with each other than anyone in the middle. Live in a red enough state and you see example of "good ole boys" wanting to maintain the status quo. The supreme court of South Dakota nullified a voter passed marijuana legalization amendment due to a technicality, claiming they are "upholding the will of the people" in the process. Local business owners like to stack city councils and use them to prevent competition and maintain a monopolistic hold on certain businesses... hardly what I'd call supporting the free market.

Bottom line, communism will never work because of human nature. You have to trust that the person you have as your dictator is going to govern in a benevolent manner, and that's not going to happen over the long run. Division of power heavy in checks and balances is the only type of system that is sustainable. You can't trust human nature left to human beings. You need iron clad sets of laws to keep human nature in check. The beauty of the US is state's rights, and the fact we have a senate which further enhances gridlock and divides up power, though it seems like these days we are victims of our own success and have become more of an oligarchy where the rich buy the votes of the politicians. If liberals would actually support classical liberalism and the right of freedom of choice and expression, instead of this move towards being illiberal dictators, things would go much more smoothly. If you don't like the state you live in because it doesn't represent your philosophy, we have 50 of them to choose from. That's such an amazing thing if you really think about it.

Xi is hard at work playing dictator... rewriting history to fit his narrative, like our media is starting to do.

https://www.nytimes.com/live/2021/11...xi-jinping-cpc

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Old 11-27-2021, 10:44 AM
 
Location: Florida
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According to your own definition 1/6 was a bunch of people who wanted communism.
You are brain washed by the totalitarian seekers who are training the masses to accept intimidation, cancelling, hating America.



Patriots have NOT been brainwashed by Communist professors in the universities.. the weak minded always gets brainwashed .. they don't question anything. They go along with the crowd . Only the strong minded can keep their common sense and know something is not right .. the red flags are recognized by them.



Since when do Communists allow the people to own anything? They don't and they tell them they will be the collective and own and operate businesses.. the biggest lie. It is the ruling class that stays in control of the masses. Once there is a one party system, they keep the power over the people and they harvest all the money and power and leave the masses poor. It is happening now.



Biden administration has told us what they want. Pack the court for a one party system. Make DC and Puerto Rico a state to control the Senate, taking our guns to castrate the patriots, the rule of law is ignored . They take our history and destroy all knowledge of what America was. They want a one party totalitarian system for power over us including every American including democrats and Republicans. No choice, they will dictate what we can think, buy , use, attain, know and our identity will be known with every spying device known to man all controlled by the government. We will have government intrusion like never before. I remember Snowden how he warned us how the government was tracking us.


We just found out that parents showing up at Schools are now being tagged. We don't even know how advanced it is. We find out by whistleblowers.



We have lying government entities in the medical field hiding the data and cancelling the voices of Dr. Atlas and many others . Why? The left lies so much and calls it disinformation.. especially if it hurts what they want to happen.. will they have mail in ballots again in 2022 inventing a new variant scare. Will Communist China release a new variant in the United States ? The powers that be are evil and power and money are the motivation.
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Old 11-27-2021, 10:53 AM
 
Location: Florida
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Great, show me where I've defended communism... "on pretty much every thread on here".. in fact, find one example.

If you're unhappy with "Lefties" in this country, vote them out of office. Being a "leftie" doesn't equal communism. That's what a fringe extremist view of this country might think, and granted there are a growing number of fringe elements out there as we continue to polarize further away from each other, but the only way to heal that is to stop hating lefties and start empathizing and trying to reach solutions that work for both you and the lefites.
So far Biden is loved by the lefties. not every democrat is a lefty. They are the moderate democrat that does not support Biden and his shutting down oil production, leaving Americans in Afghanistan, and don't like the fact that inflation is eating up their paycheck. Lefties are the communists. Democrat moderates hate what the left is doing .



Polls show us that democrats have brains too. The lefties are the far left progressives who welcome Socialism, want the government to pay their way from cradle to grave. We see the Nancy Pelosi House has gone progressive. There are no moderates in the house today. We have some common sense Democrats in the senate. Wish there was more. Tulsi Gabbard comes to mind of a democrat with common sense.



Those lefties are destroying America with their unlawful legislation taking our freedoms. JFK would be appalled at the lefties today. He would know that the communists have taken over ..
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Old 11-27-2021, 10:55 AM
 
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You are brain washed by the totalitarian seekers who are training the masses to accept intimidation, cancelling, hating America.
Patriots have NOT been brainwashed by Communist professors in the universities.. the weak minded always gets brainwashed .. they don't question anything. They go along with the crowd . Only the strong minded can keep their common sense and know something is not right .. the red flags are recognized by them.

Since when do Communists allow the people to own anything? They don't and they tell them they will be the collective and own and operate businesses.. the biggest lie. It is the ruling class that stays in control of the masses. Once there is a one party system, they keep the power over the people and they harvest all the money and power and leave the masses poor. It is happening now.

Biden administration has told us what they want. Pack the court for a one party system. Make DC and Puerto Rico a state to control the Senate, taking our guns to castrate the patriots, the rule of law is ignored . They take our history and destroy all knowledge of what America was. They want a one party totalitarian system for power over us including every American including democrats and Republicans. No choice, they will dictate what we can think, buy , use, attain, know and our identity will be known with every spying device known to man all controlled by the government. We will have government intrusion like never before. I remember Snowden how he warned us how the government was tracking us.

We just found out that parents showing up at Schools are now being tagged. We don't even know how advanced it is. We find out by whistleblowers.

We have lying government entities in the medical field hiding the data and cancelling the voices of Dr. Atlas and many others . Why? The left lies so much and calls it disinformation.. especially if it hurts what they want to happen.. will they have mail in ballots again in 2022 inventing a new variant scare. Will Communist China release a new variant in the United States ? The powers that be are evil and power and money are the motivation.
I think I found a word that describes this thread and most of the paranoid threads. Schizophrenia:
a mental disorder characterized by delusions, hallucinations, disorganized speech and behavior.
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Old 11-27-2021, 10:59 AM
 
Location: San Diego
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I think I found a word that describes this thread and most of the paranoid threads. Schizophrenia:
a mental disorder characterized by delusions, hallucinations, disorganized speech and behavior.
Isn't it remarkable how, every time the far leftists call names and try to bash and smear people who oppose them....

...they wind up describing their own confused, senile President to a T?
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Old 11-27-2021, 10:59 AM
 
Location: A Nation Possessed
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The righties can be guilty of this as well, it's just that the lefties are the ones that have all the power right now. To a degree it's wired into our specie's DNA to want to control others, because of our herd nature. True tolerance for one another (and not the fake tolerance the left preaches they have when they don't) is a learned behavior.. it's not inherit to our genetic makeup. I'd argue the extreme left and extreme right have more in common with each other than anyone in the middle. Live in a red enough state and you see example of "good ole boys" wanting to maintain the status quo. The supreme court of South Dakota nullified a voter passed marijuana legalization amendment due to a technicality, claiming they are "upholding the will of the people" in the process. Local business owners like to stack city councils and use them to prevent competition and maintain a monopolistic hold on certain businesses... hardly what I'd call supporting the free market.

Bottom line, communism will never work because of human nature. You have to trust that the person you have as your dictator is going to govern in a benevolent manner, and that's not going to happen over the long run. Division of power heavy in checks and balances is the only type of system that is sustainable. You can't trust human nature left to human beings. You need iron clad sets of laws to keep human nature in check. The beauty of the US is state's rights, and the fact we have a senate which further enhances gridlock and divides up power, though it seems like these days we are victims of our own success and have become more of an oligarchy where the rich buy the votes of the politicians.

https://www.nytimes.com/live/2021/11...xi-jinping-cpc
You are correct here with this post. There are certainly tyrants on the right as well.

Ultimately, there are those who crave power over others and those who do not. And perhaps I'd better clarify my stance here on CD because I know I come off as "hating" the left. That is NOT categorically the case. What I hate is tyranny (and the desire to have control over others--tyranny en embryo).

If a leftist voluntarily wishes to practice communal living while not trying to force everyone else to do the same, I have total respect for that person. On the other hand, I have absolutely no respect for a left wing or right wing person seeking control over others.

The reason I come off as "hating" the left is that there are very few on the left that actually believe in individual liberty and NOT controlling the thoughts and actions of others. On the other hand, there are many more people on the right or conservative side who DO believe in individual liberty. That is why I most often side with the conservatives. I agree with most of their philosophy, but most of all agree with their (mostly) pro-individual-liberty and small-government stance.

And sadly, the reason communism will never work is the same reason my peferred form of government (nearly non-existent) will never work: the desire of a certain percentage of our species to control the remaining percentage. If that were not the case, nearly any form of government could theoretically work. But it IS the case. Which is why our government as originally devised was a very good attempt at saving the sheep from the wolves.
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Old 11-27-2021, 11:00 AM
 
Location: San Diego
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What we live in is a failing, gridlocked, polarized Welfare State.
Which is slowly turning into a socialistic state as people wait for government to take care of them, and government propagandists promise exactly that (but fail to deliver as usual).

Actually, not "slowly" any more.

The standard dodge that since we don't meet the EXACT dictionary definition of socialism (or its kissing cousin communism) then we aren't exactly heading for socialism, are irrelevant. Government is taking over the control of more and more of our lives, and deciding for us how much each person will get as it taxes people who earn more, more heavily, and subsidizes people who earn less or none. The attitude that govt is justified in taking more from us to redistribute to others, is all the socialism we need.

We haven't dotted every I and crossed every T present in the dictionary definition, but we are definitely heading that way. And doing what socialistic societies always wind up doing. Whether their advocates intended to do it or not.
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Old 11-27-2021, 11:03 AM
 
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In your very first post in this thread you came to communism's defense by reciting at typical leftist college professor's version of what communism is. We both know that is not the way it works in practice (since you claim to not be a leftist).

I provided a more practical definition from the dictionary. State control of production. That is de facto where we are heading. .
You did provide the classic definition of communism:

a totalitarian system of government in which a single authoritarian party controls state-owned means of production

and you are correct that it has never really worked out too well in practice. But you fail to provide any convincing evidence that the US is headed in a communist direction.

The OP cited a bill calling for more IRS agents to make sure people pay their taxes. GamerGurl replied that is not communism. And she was right. Unless you are going to argue that all countries that collect taxes are communist, there is nothing communist about employing more workers to enforce your existing laws.

For the US to fit the classic definition of communism - state ownership of production - you would have to be seeing government takeover of private industry. That's what happened in the Soviet Union and Communist China. That's what happened in Venezuela with nationalization of the oil industry.

The closest thing we have here is the push toward Universal Healthcare. But that's what they have in every European country, Japan, Australia, Canada and Israel. Not many scholars would describe those as communist countries.
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Old 11-27-2021, 11:07 AM
 
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Isn't it remarkable how, every time the far leftists call names and try to bash and smear people who oppose them....

...they wind up describing their own confused, senile President to a T?
Not too many far leftists on this site buddy. I'm a moderate with no party affiliation. Not trying to bash anyone with a medical condition. There is medication and treatment for this condition. Although, most posters simple have some of these symptoms but I doubt the actual disease. Anyway, lots of paranoia and not much substance. As you were..
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Old 11-27-2021, 11:12 AM
 
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Dear, that is not what Communism means. Sounds more like paranoia. There are not many Communists in the US. As you were...
Communist fosters this behavior. The Communist government tells everyone to turn in their neighbor if they misspeak or harbors resentment against their government. If you talked to those from a Communist country you would hear the same from them. The fear .. Communism is brutal. It is complete control of their mind and the Communists show their sadistic actions to the masses as an example to behave or this can happen to you. Jan. 6th is to intimidate Americans putting them in solitary confinement. Manafort was an example. Put in solitary confinement yet the Podesta Brothers worked along side of Manafort and they got immunity.Podesta was the guy who came out and said Hillary was not coming out on election night.



Manafort is not a hardened criminal yet as an example he was treated like a felon. Podesta brothers turned in papers retroactively after being tipped off they were coming for Manafort for not turning in the same papers. Hunter gets a pass for dealing with foreign entities so we know it is a political move to intimidate. A Communist tactic. The D protects them.. that is because the powers that be know the democrat party is the vehicle they are using to bring about Socialist Communism.
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