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So, your comfortable little world has changed and you're now struggling to adapt.
It's okay; some never do. For the very predictable result; witness the various species that have gone extinct.
You make an excellent point. This is a pandemic, which is not political. The entire planet has not conspired to push a Democratic agenda. It's difficult to believe that this is the hill the GOP has *literally* chosen to have their adherents die on. I would think they would be promoting vaccination as a way to preserve their voters - you know, that old "conservative" thing. Silly me.
You are misusing the VAERS. Anyone can report anything on there, it is useful to detect patterns.
One could quite literally report getting a hang nail after vaccination, or pink eye, or a car accident or whatever, they would all just go on the list. That does not mean there is a cause and effect relationship between the items.
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Anybody including you and me can report to VAERS. These are all unsubstantiated claims made on there, they still have to be verified if they are true.
But you say there was 16k deaths and a poster on another thread said 100k died from vaccine. Which one is true?
AND again, the majority, a very high majority, are NOT 'reported by anyone', they are reported by healthcare workers.
I have said, and continue to say, every. single. time. one of you trots that out as some lame ass excuse 'not to trust the numbers', which are horrifically low in reporting (only 1% of adverse effects are reported), not high, I'm going to correct you.
Science should always be refuted with better science. That is why there is peer review.
The problem is that too many people get their degrees by watching a ten minute video on YouTube and proclaiming themselves experts. The published results by scientists who have devoted decades to research get cast aside because of politics and idiots seeking confirmation bias.
As Joe Friday would say, "Just the facts, ma'am. Nothing but the facts."
You understand that peer reviewers have longstanding relationships with journals and Big Pharma, and are also PAID to be reviewers, correct?
AND again, the majority, a very high majority, are NOT 'reported by anyone', they are reported by healthcare workers.
I have said, and continue to say, every. single. time. one of you trots that out as some lame ass excuse 'not to trust the numbers', which are horrifically low in reporting (only 1% of adverse effects are reported), not high, I'm going to correct you.
Per the CDC:
How Reports Come into VAERS VAERS collects reports of possible adverse events that happen after vaccination. Anyone can submit a report to VAERSexternal icon, including patients, parents or caregivers, healthcare providers, and vaccine manufacturers.
Under Emergency Use Authorization, FDA requires healthcare professionals to report to VAERS certain adverse eventsexternal icon that occur after COVID-19 vaccination. CDC also encourages reporting of any medically important adverse event even if it isn’t clear if the vaccine caused the health problem. This helps public health officials monitor and follow-up on possible safety problems. Learn more about selected adverse events reported to VAERS.
Again, what performance guarantees do the vaxxes come with against the latest variant of covid? None? I thought so.
Like I said, go pound sand.
Immunologists do not know that this new variant is going to evade the vaccine. Not enough data yet. Your best bet is to get vaccinated, wear a mask in crowded conditions, wash your hands regularly, and stay home if sick. Good luck.
An MD with 50 years of experience does not guarantee that someone will not become corrupted by money / greed / power / fame or adoration. I don't think anyone posting in this thread has issues with the scientific method, rather some of us realize that human beings, regardless of credentials, can become corrupted by avarices, government power being the biggest avarice of them all.
True enough, and i wouldn't put all my faith in any single person. But there is a whole medical and scientific community encouraging Americans to get vaccinated, and I would sooner listen to them than some guy with an engineering degree.
...On April 19, 2002 – the Spring before the first SARS outbreak in Asia – Christopher M. Curtis, Boyd Yount, and Ralph Baric filed an application for U.S. Patent 7,279,372 for a method of producing recombinant coronavirus. In the first public record of the claims, they sought to patent a means of producing, “an infectious, replication defective, coronavirus.” This work was supported by the NIH grant referenced above and GM63228. In short, the U.S. Department of Health and Human Services was involved in the funding of amplifying the infectious nature of coronavirus between 1999 and 2002 before SARS was ever detected in humans.
Against this backdrop, we noted the unusual patent prosecution efforts of the CDC, when on April 25, 2003 they sought to patent the SARS coronavirus isolated from humans that had reportedly transferred to humans during the 2002-2003 SARS outbreak in Asia. 35 U.S.C. §101 prohibits patenting nature. This legality did not deter CDC in their efforts. Their application, updated in 2007, ultimately issued as U.S. Patent 7,220,852 and constrained anyone not licensed by their patent from manipulating SARS CoV, developing tests or kits to measure SARS coronavirus in humans or working with their patented virus for therapeutic use.
We noted that gain-of-function specialist, Dr. Ralph Baric, was both the recipient of millions of dollars of U.S. research grants from several federal agencies but also sat on the World Health Organization’s International Committee on Taxonomy of Viruses (ICTV) and the Coronaviridae Study Group (CSG). In this capacity, he was both responsible for determining “novelty” of clades of virus species but directly benefitted from determining declarations of novelty in the form of new research funding authorizations and associated patenting and commercial collaboration. Together with CDC, NIAID, WHO, academic and commercial parties (including Johnson & Johnson; Sanofi and their several coronavirus patent holding biotech companies; Moderna; Ridgeback; Gilead; Sherlock Biosciences; and, others), a powerful group of interests constituted what we would suggest are “interlocking directorates” under U.S. anti-trust laws.
...This dossier is by no means exhaustive. It is, however, indicative the numerous criminal violations that may be associated with the COVID-19...
...While this patent is clearly illegal under 35 U.S.C. §101, not only did the CDC insist on its granting over non-final and final rejections, but they also continued to pay maintenance fees on the patent after the 2013 Supreme Court decision confirmed that it was illegal.
It's very long, very in-depth, and all resources cited.
I dare a vax pusher to read the entire thing. I then dare them to refute any claims they disagree with beyond 'nuh uh'.
Let's see how many vax pushers actually 'follow the science', not 'follow what the msm says'.
Go on, read it and prove this document wrong. Should be super easy since you claim to 'have all the facts'.
You understand that peer reviewers have longstanding relationships with journals and Big Pharma, and are also PAID to be reviewers, correct?
They are far from neutral.
Not true. I've peer-reviewed articles before and never been paid once. I didn't have any relationship with the journals - one I had never even heard of. The authors of the manuscripts are anonymous so its not like I'm doing a friend a favor. I do my best to be neutral and give my honest opinion.
I'm not anti-science. I'm anti-spending the prime years of my life on lockdown over a 98% survival rate virus.
Someone who spent 3 weeks on a ventilator and now has permanently damaged organs is a survivor, like they never had it at all.
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