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Old 12-02-2021, 08:50 AM
 
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If he didn't intend to shoot, why did he have his finger on the trigger or inside the trigger guard?????

That's where untrained/unpracticed people put their finger. It is one of the hardest habits to break a newby of. it's such a natural place to put your finger. It would be like breaking the habit of putting your hands on the steering wheel of a car before it's in drive (ready to fire) Not an excuse, just an observation.

 
Old 12-02-2021, 09:03 AM
 
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That's where untrained/unpracticed people put their finger. It is one of the hardest habits to break a newby of. it's such a natural place to put your finger. It would be like breaking the habit of putting your hands on the steering wheel of a car before it's in drive (ready to fire) Not an excuse, just an observation.
Yes, it's what everyone does--until someone tells them differently. And then they have to practice not doing it.
 
Old 12-02-2021, 09:21 AM
 
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Any morons actually believe that? " I didn't pull the trigger, it just went off by itself."
Complete and utter bull****.
 
Old 12-02-2021, 09:25 AM
 
Location: 23.7 million to 162 million miles North of Venus
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For some reason these Baldwin threads seem to quickly be closed despite new info that had come out.


There's something strange about the guy Kenney. He was the one who had suggested they hire Hannah. He supplied the gun. He's apparently with the production, but many with the production seem to be unaware of it. His title with the production is "armorer mentor" and many in Hollywood is saying there is no such thing as a armorer mentor.
https://nypost.com/2021/11/09/rust-a...olt-45-report/

Now it seems that the bullet may be one of the bullets that Kenney had stolen from Hannah's dad.
https://abcnews.go.com/Entertainment...ry?id=81478157

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While working on another production, Kenney asked Hannah's father to bring live rounds to the set to use for target practice, etc. Reed took the bullets he'd made. Kenney then stole some of the bullets and refused to return them.

During the Rust production, Kenney supplied boxes of blank ammo to them. He may have accidentally or intentionally mixed some of the stolen live bullets in with the blanks.

Being made with recycled parts it's possible that some of those live bullets may have had casings with the small hole that would indicate the bullet was a blank. Hannah's father probably knew what to look for, since he'd made them probably for his own use or for use under his control. But others who might have handled the bullets may not have been able to tell if they were live or blanks.

I don't know if that's exactly what had happened but it seems the investigators are looking into it ..
https://www.buzzfeednews.com/article...aldwin-armorer
 
Old 12-02-2021, 09:33 AM
 
Location: Spring Hill, FL
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Alec, it's a film set mate. There will be actual camera footage of it.
 
Old 12-02-2021, 09:39 AM
 
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Being made with recycled parts it's possible that some of those live bullets may have had casings with the small hole that would indicate the bullet was a blank. Hannah's father probably knew what to look for, since he'd made them probably for his own use or for use under his control. But others who might have handled the bullets may not have been able to tell if they were live or blanks.
No, the propellant would have leaked out if there were a hole in the case to indicate a dummy round.

Plus, it appears to be standard Hollywood practice to put a b-b in the case of a dummy round rather than a hole. I suppose that prevents the hole from ever appearing on camera, with the b-b still providing a positive means of determining that it's a blank.

And a blank actually does have propellant...but lacks a bullet.

Any of them would have been difficult for someone with only a smattering of ammunition knowledge to distinguish while actually loaded in a revolver, where they could only be viewed from the rear of the casing.

It seems odd and expensive for them to be making dummy rounds from live rounds. It takes more equipment and effort to convert a live round to a dummy round than to build a dummy round from scratch. It's cheaper, quicker, and safer to build a dummy round from scratch (which are available online or at a sporting goods store).
 
Old 12-02-2021, 09:51 AM
 
Location: 23.7 million to 162 million miles North of Venus
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No, the propellant would have leaked out if there were a hole in the case to indicate a dummy round.

Plus, it appears to be standard Hollywood practice to put a b-b in the case of a dummy round rather than a hole. I suppose that prevents the hole from ever appearing on camera, with the b-b still providing a positive means of determining that it's a blank.

And a blank actually does have propellant...but lacks a bullet.

Any of them would have been difficult for someone with only a smattering of ammunition knowledge to distinguish while actually loaded in a revolver, where they could only be viewed from the rear of the casing.
Apparently some of the bullets in that box rattled and some didn't.


"No, the propellant would have leaked out if there were a hole in the case to indicate a dummy round.
And a blank actually does have propellant...but lacks a bullet."
huh?

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It seems odd and expensive for them to be making dummy rounds from live rounds. It takes more equipment and effort to convert a live round to a dummy round than to build a dummy round from scratch. It's cheaper, quicker, and safer to build a dummy round from scratch (which are available online or at a sporting goods store).
Who did that?
 
Old 12-02-2021, 10:09 AM
 
Location: Arizona
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I don't know how anyone could mistake live ammunition for blanks? Unless of course you're Alec Baldwin.

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.45 cal Brass Long Colt Balloon Blank Buffalo Blanks Ammunition (For use in Real Guns) Bag of 50. https://www.westernstageprops.com/45...ion-p/sa45.htm
 
Old 12-02-2021, 10:45 AM
 
Location: Hoosierville
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I have to wonder if there aren't charges coming that Baldwin knows about and this is him trying to get in front of it.
 
Old 12-02-2021, 11:00 AM
 
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I don't know how anyone could mistake live ammunition for blanks? Unless of course you're Alec Baldwin.
From a view of the base of the round as seen in the chamber of a revolver, a live round looks exactly like a blank...and for that matter, exactly like a Hollywood dummy round. There might be a difference in the manufacturer branding stamped on the base, but someone who doesn't know those details wouldn't recognize it.
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