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Old 12-01-2021, 08:44 PM
 
Location: New York Area
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Immediate and dramatic policy changes are needed to stop the destruction of the world from climate change. I recommend. Levy a huge carbon tax and a tax on solar and wind energy about 75% of the level of the carbon tax. Use the proceeds to build a huge dam across the Fram Strait connecting Iceland to Greenland to cut off the flow of Atlantic water to the Arctic. Some limited sluices could be allowed for shopping. To be equitable to the Third World, distribute the money among Third World leaders, to hire and manage the dam-building project.

The science shows that much of this comes from the Rapid Atlantification along the Fram Strait at the beginning of the 20th century and Arctic Ocean has been ‘Atlantifying’ for at least a century. A similar article appeared in today's New York Times,This Ocean Invaded Its Neighbor Earlier Than Anyone Thought. This is the flow of relatively warm, saline Atlantic waters from the Gulf Stream into the Arctic Ocean. a sea that is not really well-bounded from the Atlantic. Its boundaries are more a cartographic construct than anything, but the Arctic Ocean has a disproportionate effect on world climate. Remember, the temperature increases are much greater in the Arctic. This affects weather patters throughout the Northern hemisphere. More directly, rising water threatens to inundate coastal cities from New York to Rotterdam to Lisbon.

These are the "immediate and dramatic policy changes", but designed to ameliorate Third-World poverty, racism, gender inequality and climate change.

We must build in a bold, imaginative manner.
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Old 12-01-2021, 08:46 PM
 
Location: Midwest
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Yes, I know the prophet algore said NYC would be under water by, uhh, oh, that was 11 years ago. Never mind.
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Old 12-01-2021, 08:50 PM
 
Location: New York Area
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Yes, I know the prophet algore said NYC would be under water by, uhh, oh, that was 11 years ago. Never mind.
Actually 14 years ago. World ends by 2030 unless we take action now.
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Old 12-01-2021, 09:09 PM
 
Location: MD's Eastern Shore
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Ahhh, the good old sea rising and the east coast cities will be underwater blablabla.

Well I live right smack in the middle of the US east coast in a seaside town and it's quite funny how the docks that were built in the late 80's are still the same distance from mean low water now as they were then. Yep, underwater during extreme high moon tides and hard Northeast winds and high above the water on extreme moon tides and hard westerly winds.

I guess the eco wacko alarmists can pick their measurements from the backside of a hurricane in the early 90's during low tide when a lot of the water was pushed out of the back bays to the rise of an approaching storm this year during a full moon high tide to "prove" there point but it would be nothing but pure BS!

And as for the coastal ocean side of the barrier islands losing sand. There is this thing called erosion. What they never mention is that the back side of these islands have built up over the years. Thats exactly what these islands do. They migrate west as the wind and waves pound the coast and the sand gets blown/washed across the islands.
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Old 12-01-2021, 11:37 PM
 
Location: San Diego
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Immediate and dramatic policy changes are needed to stop the destruction of the world from climate change. I recommend.
Manamade-climate-change fanatics have been saying things like this ever since the first Earth Day in 1971 (or was it 1970?).

And they have been howling their recommendations ever since. Never mind that the ones that set dates for out destruction, freezing, boiling etc. never turned out true.

It's been more than 50 years, and not a single one of them has ever came up wit any proof that man's actions have had any effect on our climate. Just "It's obvious that", and pointing to various studies which also don't have any such proof. But some of them point to other studies... but those don't prove it either.

Looks like we've got our share of strident doomsayers who want more and more government resources (that means "your tax dollars") turned over to them to "fix" the climate, and more and more laws requiring us to do what these fanatics tell us.

(yawn)

They got old long ago. Too bad they didn't get quieter too.
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Old 12-02-2021, 12:31 AM
 
Location: Japan
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One thread claiming, falsely, that "Atlantification" proves greenhouses gases don't effect the climate wasn't enough, jbgusa? You really needed a second one?
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Old 12-02-2021, 05:47 AM
 
Location: New York Area
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One thread claiming, falsely, that "Atlantification" proves greenhouses gases don't effect the climate wasn't enough, jbgusa? You really needed a second one?
Quite the contrary. Dam the Fram! At least it's a constructive solution. And having a dam will increase commerce between Greenland and Iceland.
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Old 12-02-2021, 06:19 AM
 
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Immediate and dramatic policy changes are needed to stop the destruction of the world from climate change. I recommend. Levy a huge carbon tax and a tax on solar and wind energy about 75% of the level of the carbon tax. Use the proceeds to build a huge dam across the Fram Strait connecting Iceland to Greenland to cut off the flow of Atlantic water to the Arctic. Some limited sluices could be allowed for shopping. To be equitable to the Third World, distribute the money among Third World leaders, to hire and manage the dam-building project.

The science shows that much of this comes from the Rapid Atlantification along the Fram Strait at the beginning of the 20th century and Arctic Ocean has been ‘Atlantifying’ for at least a century. A similar article appeared in today's New York Times,This Ocean Invaded Its Neighbor Earlier Than Anyone Thought. This is the flow of relatively warm, saline Atlantic waters from the Gulf Stream into the Arctic Ocean. a sea that is not really well-bounded from the Atlantic. Its boundaries are more a cartographic construct than anything, but the Arctic Ocean has a disproportionate effect on world climate. Remember, the temperature increases are much greater in the Arctic. This affects weather patters throughout the Northern hemisphere. More directly, rising water threatens to inundate coastal cities from New York to Rotterdam to Lisbon.

These are the "immediate and dramatic policy changes", but designed to ameliorate Third-World poverty, racism, gender inequality and climate change.

We must build in a bold, imaginative manner.
This is so bizarre that it must be tongue in cheek humor.
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Old 12-02-2021, 07:35 AM
 
Location: New York Area
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This is so bizarre that it must be tongue in cheek humor.
Maybe, maybe not!
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Old 12-02-2021, 07:44 AM
 
Location: On the Chesapeake
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Ahhh, the good old sea rising and the east coast cities will be underwater blablabla.

Well I live right smack in the middle of the US east coast in a seaside town and it's quite funny how the docks that were built in the late 80's are still the same distance from mean low water now as they were then. Yep, underwater during extreme high moon tides and hard Northeast winds and high above the water on extreme moon tides and hard westerly winds.

I guess the eco wacko alarmists can pick their measurements from the backside of a hurricane in the early 90's during low tide when a lot of the water was pushed out of the back bays to the rise of an approaching storm this year during a full moon high tide to "prove" there point but it would be nothing but pure BS!

And as for the coastal ocean side of the barrier islands losing sand. There is this thing called erosion. What they never mention is that the back side of these islands have built up over the years. Thats exactly what these islands do. They migrate west as the wind and waves pound the coast and the sand gets blown/washed across the islands.
Same here across the Chesapeake from you, the pier is the same height above MLT as it was when it was built almost 100 years ago.

We have more tidal/east wind flooding now, but that's mostly caused by "environmentally friendly" solutions from 50 years ago like armoring the shoreline which means no more beach replenishment, filling in of wetlands to build houses and the disruption of tidal wetlands.

The current best practice is to construct "Living Shorelines" which replicate and become tidal marshes.
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