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Originally Posted by ringwise
Everything is not "even and fair". Life is not even and fair. That's reality. Some people are smart, some people are handy, some people are pretty. What is "even and fair" is opportunity. The fact that there are folks out there squandering that opportunity, and instead decide to become a permanent victim, is not the problem of those that took that opportunity.
As for women being paid less for the same job - you obviously have no idea how the world works. It's a complicated issue, but one that has ZERO to do with equal pay for equal work, and everything to do with the choices women make with their careers.
And its obvious that you are drawing a conclusion with little to go by except 1 post on a public board. A career choice is not the issue in receiving the same compensation for doing the same job as the man sitting next to you. Of course now that the other group is not being given preferential treatment anymore they don't like it but as you said "Everything is not "even and fair"."
And its obvious that you are drawing a conclusion with little to go by except 1 post on a public board. A career choice is not the issue in receiving the same compensation for doing the same job as the man sitting next to you. Of course now that the other group is not being given preferential treatment anymore they don't like it but as you said "Everything is not "even and fair"."
The real problem is that people are very much "I want 'everything not "even and fair"' for everyone, but me." They want everyone else to have struggles and to pull themselves up by their bootstraps, but when it comes to them, they feel singled out.
What do you think of monuments to Chief Crazy Horse and Geronimo?
Crazy horse? On private land.
Geronimo? You mean the Geronimo Surrender Monument? Answer is in the name.
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Originally Posted by Roderic
Then the teachers should have no problems opening up their curriculum for examination and make the parents red faced, right? Instead, it is the teachers who are red faced angry enough to call in the FBI. Did you catch the latest news that the National School Boards Association is short its dues and memberships since this 'no CRT in K-12' has been exposed?
Should teachers have to waste their time indulging some idiot parents?
Absolutely not. They got better things to be doing.
Schools work for the tax payers. Not parents. They can tell trouble makers to bugger off.
Sure, and let's start that education with the Grutter v Bollinger decision by the Supreme Court. You know, where the Court upheld institutional racial discrimination, which violates the both the Civil Rights Act and the 14th Amendment's equal protection under the law clause, so long as the government has some compelling interest for that racial discrimination.
By all means, start there, given that CRT is taught to high schoolers on their way to college. Teach how the government of the US in 2021 is indeed a racist construct, and uses the written law to discriminate against whites and Asians SOLELY based on their race, does so all the freaking time, and in total violation of the Civil Rights Act and the 14th Amendment (mentioned again to be both redundant and to pound that into everyone's brains).
Then teach the inescapable conclusion that the government not only perpetuates racism whenever it feels like it, but also that based on the government and equity theories of the modern day, there is no better cure for racism than more racism, given countless examples of government sponsored racial discrimination, segregation, population controls, etc.
If you're gonna go that route, why just teach "whites are bad, m'kay?" version of CRT. No no, go all the way and give the modern day updates on how the government is manifestly oppressing whites and Asians in both written law and unwritten rules of persecution and prosecution, and doing so because they say it serves a compelling government interest. Start with Grutter v Bollinger, then go back to earlier cases from the 60s and 70s that essentially let the government to do anything they want so long as they can be the only entity who defines racism, discrimination, equity and oh yeah, their compelling interests.
How about - don’t do what stupid white people did in our nation’s past. Simple. Let’s stop the inhumanity and treat all with respect. It was terrible, unjust, cruel and deeply scarring to the fiber of this nation. Those were the facts and it needs to stop now. As some parents won’t teach it - the schools have to.
Going out on a limb here....you dont have kids, let alone ones in school.
Us who do, get a little chuckle when those who dont, 'splain' it all to us.
But nonetheless, those 3 sentences above are exactly opposite of how it actually works.
so, lol, another limb here: biden voter by chance? ;-)
Teachers only answer to their unions. They don't answer to you. If a teacher has enough of you, they refer you to admin. No teacher has to deal with a parent.
Tax payers pay their salaries. Not parents.
So nothing I stated is incorrect. You're free to take your kid out of the system if you don't approve.
Teachers only answer to their unions. They don't answer to you. If a teacher has enough of you, they refer you to admin. No teacher has to deal with a parent.
Tax payers pay their salaries. Not parents.
So nothing I stated is incorrect. You're free to take your kid out of the system if you don't approve.
so I was right, ergo, 3rd limb: apartment dweller as well. Nothing wrong with that, but it insulates you from the world.
Readers digest version:
Teachers do not answer to unions, no more than any other member of any other union does not answer to a union for the same reason I do not answer to NTEU.
You answer to your boss. (amazing how that works worldwide right?)
Teachers answer to the principal. Who answers to the super, who answers to the board. Gripes, go up. Not outside the institution.
4th limb: not married either...because a women has a helluvalot more handle on this stuff generally and you could just ask a wife.
The district is funded by the taxing jurisdiction. Of this local jurisdiction, except for some reality bending jurisdictions found mostly in cali and boulder co, school taxes are the HIGHEST (by far) local tax. apartment dwellers are insulated from this and the local bill that makes homeonwers angry and sweat out each budget year and the school tax millage rises much much faster and wider than the country, township, city tax rate.
All people in the taxing jurisdiction pay school tax. They dont want to, but they do. This is one of those life is unfair things. Of course, everyone in the taxing jurisdiction has equal say, its how the GOP version of america works. But only the parents, a subset for sure of the taxing jurisdiction, has skin in the game. generally the people without skin in the game are given some sort of appeasement like homestead exclusions etc or fixed income senior exclusion. But make no mistake, the taxing jurisdiction is a big S-sandwich and everyone has to take a bite.
now to counter your premise: *every* school in *every* district in *every* state has a minimum set of requirements of disclosure to the parent set forth by the fed and echoed or amplified by the state. Parents have the right to know about *every* single item little johnny and suzi are told. Parents may not have the right to instruct the instructor on what to do, thats why we have mandated open school board meetings. And if the board refuses not to listen to enough parents, well then you get 2021 elections. If you recall, a number of school board members are now preparing for UC claims (and in the case of LCPS, criminal defenses)
so, this insane CRT defense you mount, stop listening to Joy Reid. a) she is not your friend b) she is not a role model c) she is not factual d) she is bats**t
sidebar: having kids, and thereby someday enabling you to interface with the local SD, is one of the easiest things to do. So easy in fact, a caveman can do it (and those cavemen doing it is technically how you are I arrived at this point) You speak a lot about subjects that are very real and very prominent to a non-insignificant portion of our country, yet you choose not to educate yourself on the basics of how things work. I could be snarky and say 'how democrat of you''', but that would be snarky and non productive and Im not snarky and non productive, so.....lets leave it as a simple: "why?"
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