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Old 12-08-2021, 04:09 PM
 
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So, you support Mollie Paige Mumau's take? She's the subject matter here.
I responded to a specific claim in post #2 . The claim was made, I made a response. If you have a problem with that take it up with the poster before me.

If you wish to address the points in my post feel free to do so.
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Old 12-08-2021, 04:21 PM
 
Location: Cape Cod
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How can people with this mindset actually be in charge of anything let alone be allowed to teach our kids?



She sounds like the same sort that would grill kids if their parents had guns at home.



If this woman is so worried then get the shot and every booster they suggest. The unvaccinated will eventually catch the covid and if they have underlying issues they just might die so there is no need to line them up and shoot them like this woman suggests.



You know who lined people up and shot them? Nazi's.
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Old 12-08-2021, 05:10 PM
 
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Not true, you could still die from it, but the odds are very good that you will not, and that's the point!

The vaccine reduces the spread exponentially. It typically reduces the severity. It changes the R-naught (R0) number.

Your comment is like saying seat belts do not prevent accidents, they only prevent one from dying. Well duh. That is no reason, no excuse ... to not avail oneself of the protection offered.

The results are in, and it is very clear that the vaccine reduces the severity and the length of transmission from possibly weeks to a few days. Those unfortunates who get really sick in spite of the vaccine are still more likely to have less severe lung/kidney/heart damage and live longer more pleasant lives afterward.

And those (proportionately few) vaccinated who wind up in the ICU are less likely to die. Yes, some won't make it but the prospects are much better.

In a small crowd of unvaccinated the potential for suffering is devastating if just one person unknowingly brings it along, a similar sized crowd of vaccinated have great prospects of having only milder symptoms or not catching it altogether.

“The reason we are in this situation is because of people not getting vaccinated,” local hospitals overwhelmed with unvaccinated patients

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If you are sick, stay home.
It's not as if the overwhelming majority of those not vaccinated are walking around spreading it.

you know why?
They do not have it.
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Old 12-08-2021, 05:11 PM
 
Location: Pennsylvania
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The political party of (self proclaimed) unity, tolerance, and diversity, showing us they care.
You are rapidly becoming one of my favorite c/d posters.
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Old 12-08-2021, 05:20 PM
 
Location: Cleveland
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The post is bad enough but they showed their hand by using 'GOP' and/or guns ie a politically motivated post.
They almost always do.

It'S nOt AbOuT pOlItIcS; iT's A pUbLiC hEaLtH iSsUe! Sure. Sure it is.
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Old 12-08-2021, 05:24 PM
 
Location: Cleveland
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Not true, you could still die from it, but the odds are very good that you will not, and that's the point!

The vaccine reduces the spread exponentially. It typically reduces the severity. It changes the R-naught (R0) number.

Your comment is like saying seat belts do not prevent accidents, they only prevent one from dying. Well duh. That is no reason, no excuse ... to not avail oneself of the protection offered.

The results are in, and it is very clear that the vaccine reduces the severity and the length of transmission from possibly weeks to a few days. Those unfortunates who get really sick in spite of the vaccine are still more likely to have less severe lung/kidney/heart damage and live longer more pleasant lives afterward.

And those (proportionately few) vaccinated who wind up in the ICU are less likely to die. Yes, some won't make it but the prospects are much better.

In a small crowd of unvaccinated the potential for suffering is devastating if just one person unknowingly brings it along, a similar sized crowd of vaccinated have great prospects of having only milder symptoms or not catching it altogether.

“The reason we are in this situation is because of people not getting vaccinated,” local hospitals overwhelmed with unvaccinated patients

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Is the R-naught number in Florida less than 1 at the moment? Yes or no.

What you actually mean when you say the vaccine changes the R-naught number is the R-naught number waxes and wanes due to many factors, some of which we undoubtedly don't understand at all, but when the R-naught falls, a certain cadre of people credit the shots (and other interventions), and when it rises, those people blame the people who chose not to take the shots.
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Old 12-08-2021, 06:15 PM
 
Location: A Nation Possessed
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Being. Vaccinated. Does. Not. Prevent. COVID. It. Prevents. You. Only. From. DYING. From. It.

I feel like this needs to be repeated in slow words over and over and over again for the mask worshippers to finally get it.
Then it isn't a vaccine.


Oh, and that person wishing people dead for exercising their personal freedom to health care choices needs to be locked in an insane asylum. He, she, or it is a danger.

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If you are sick, stay home.
It's not as if the overwhelming majority of those not vaccinated are walking around spreading it.

you know why?
They do not have it.
These freaks act as if not getting an ineffective "vaccine" means you automatically HAVE covid. Sheer idiocy.

And they are better displaying their inability to think straight more and more with each passing week. The latest line is, "Well, okay, so the 'vaccine' doesn't prevent you from getting covid, it just makes it so you don't die of covid and have a minor case."

WTF???? If you really believed that you wouldn't be hounding everyone else to get the "vaccine." THINK. Think about the absolute disconnect in your logic. I'm not even going to spell it out for you. I'm tired of it. If you can't figure out the flaw in your logic, you wouldn't understand it if I did a Dick and Jane book to explain it to you and tattooed it on your forehead.

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Old 12-08-2021, 06:34 PM
 
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The post is bad enough but they showed their hand by using 'GOP' and/or guns ie a politically motivated post.

That's true, but it's erroneous to assume the unvaxxed are all Republicans. How naive. Many Dems are not vaxxed or boostered nor do they intend to be. Nobody wants to be injected with an experimental drug with no product liability? Dem or Republican, we stand together on this.


Wishing death on AnyOne due to their medical status is so dangerous. It's a road I refuse to travel.
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Old 12-08-2021, 06:44 PM
 
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Originally Posted by Hesychios View Post
Not true, you could still die from it, but the odds are very good that you will not, and that's the point!

The vaccine reduces the spread exponentially. It typically reduces the severity. It changes the R-naught (R0) number.

Your comment is like saying seat belts do not prevent accidents, they only prevent one from dying. Well duh. That is no reason, no excuse ... to not avail oneself of the protection offered.

The results are in, and it is very clear that the vaccine reduces the severity and the length of transmission from possibly weeks to a few days. Those unfortunates who get really sick in spite of the vaccine are still more likely to have less severe lung/kidney/heart damage and live longer more pleasant lives afterward.

And those (proportionately few) vaccinated who wind up in the ICU are less likely to die. Yes, some won't make it but the prospects are much better.

In a small crowd of unvaccinated the potential for suffering is devastating if just one person unknowingly brings it along, a similar sized crowd of vaccinated have great prospects of having only milder symptoms or not catching it altogether.

“The reason we are in this situation is because of people not getting vaccinated,” local hospitals overwhelmed with unvaccinated patients

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That's all accurate but the deniers can't be bothered with accuracy.
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Old 12-08-2021, 06:50 PM
 
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The vaccine reduces the spread exponentially. It typically reduces the severity. It changes the R-naught (R0) number.
R-naught is a theoretical value for how contagious a virus is in a population without vaccines or any immunity. It's basically the maximum reproductive value of the virus.

What you mean is R.

Take a look at South Korean data (https://www.worldometers.info/corona...y/south-korea/) and tell me where you see an exponential decline in R.

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Your comment is like saying seat belts do not prevent accidents, they only prevent one from dying. Well duh. That is no reason, no excuse ... to not avail oneself of the protection offered.
Well a vaccine is supposed to prevent accidents (aka infections). It's supposed to prevent people from dying by preventing infections. If it just mitigates dying but not infections, it's essentially a therapeutic. And a lousy one since it needs to be given to healthy people, whereas most therapeutics work when given to sick people.
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