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I am an MD; graduated from an Allopathic state university medical school in the early 2000’s. I would love to see your data claiming Blacks and Hispanics require 5 and 6 years to graduate more often. Their numbers are much smaller so “averages” would be more susceptible to outliers. What are the median statistics saying?
I am White, and in my class, there were about 10 blacks and 5 Hispanics. All did fine’ and none required 5 or 6 years. A couple I was good friends with matched into Anesthesiology and Radiology, which were way more competitive back in the day. A Hispanic female is now a high profile professor at our medical school. Of course, back then, medical school was much more competitive to get into period.
Prior to the early 2000’s, most states only had one public medical school, and of course there were private ones, which tend to be elite. All of my classmates, regardless of race were really smart. I was thoroughly impressed by how smart everyone was. Now, there are medical schools I’ve never heard of, and it seems like anyone can get into an allopathic medical school, let alone an osteopathic one. I’m almost as worried about this watering down the quality of students as anything else, and the increase enrollment by other groups may be an artifact of this.
The notion that they let anyone of color in, at least when I was coming up, is simply not true. I remember my freshman inorganic chemistry lab partner, an African American guy who I remained good friends with throughout college. He was brilliant in the labs. He just had a knack for lab work. Unfortunately, he didn’t take the didactics seriously. He got great lab grades but did poor in the lectures. He couldn’t even get into own osteopathic/DO program.
1. Please don't argue with me and then twist my words. I never said or implied that, "they let anyone of color in" or anything like that.
2. The AAMC has data about all this going back decades.
3. I bet your med. school had 5 and 6 year options that you didn't consider/hear about. Examples - female students who have babies, students who fail any class only given 1x per year, students retained but who did not complete first year succesfully (this happened to one of my son's friends), students who get sick - say mono. A young lady my son graduated with had started two years before him she was in a severe car accident that delayed her two years.
As a group? No. That's why they drop out at higher rates.
But they are not dropping out as far as I can tell.
How do you reach the conclusion that minorities are dropping out of medical school at a significantly greater rate.
I must be dense on this topic because I just can’t seem to find the evidence.
3. I bet your med. school had 5 and 6 year options that you didn't consider/hear about. Examples - female students who have babies, students who fail any class only given 1x per year, students retained but who did not complete first year succesfully (this happened to one of my son's friends), students who get sick - say mono. A young lady my son graduated with had started two years before him she was in a severe car accident that delayed her two years.
And how many students got covid this past year? I’m betting it will influence the numbers especially since students did so much more patient care because of the pandemic.
3. I bet your med. school had 5 and 6 year options that you didn't consider/hear about. Examples - female students who have babies, students who fail any class only given 1x per year, students retained but who did not complete first year succesfully (this happened to one of my son's friends), students who get sick - say mono. A young lady my son graduated with had started two years before him she was in a severe car accident that delayed her two years.
A regular 4 year degree is trending at 6 years for even the general population. Less than 1/3 of college students graduate in 4 years.
And the reasons are all over the place so no one really knows why a 4 year degree takes 6 years to obtain.
the problem is that we are discussing more recent standard changes to increase diversity....so that takes a number of years before the enrolees translate into graduates (or not). So what you are asking for is not cleanly available.
What is available though, are the enrollment numbers vs. Completion numbers in the tables below which do show a racial disparity but i do not think it's fair to try to apply this to what is a newer situation but it does show notable differences.
my entire position is that we need to do more to fix imbalances and inequities earlier in the educational process so that we don't have to try to fudge things later on which can lead to more failure.
But they are not dropping out as far as I can tell.
How do you reach the conclusion that minorities are dropping out of medical school at a significantly greater rate.
I must be dense on this topic because I just can’t seem to find the evidence.
Nothing wrong with increased Applications or Admissions. In fact its a good thing that Demographics which are normally accused of not working hard enough to achieve are showing that yes some really are. Now what would be wrong is if they are given any preferential treatment in regards to competition for limited space or their grades.
And how many students got covid this past year? I’m betting it will influence the numbers especially since students did so much more patient care because of the pandemic.
Good points.
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