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Old 12-14-2021, 06:38 AM
 
Location: NMB, SC
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well if you are over 70 and white, there are plenty of careers in politics because they are the old whites who really care and totally not part of the “system”. the clapping seal voters tend to agree.
It is odd that with all the raging over White supremacy and institutional racism that our Federal Government is full of "old White people"...Silent Generation old..like 70-80 plus.

Biden is a prime example. To look at society and what they say and want...Biden should have never made it into office.
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Old 12-14-2021, 06:39 AM
 
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This is medical school...people could DIE.
Fortunately, I'll be dead before any of these woke students get passed thru medical school and declared a "DR" in the name of mediocr...sorry...equity.
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Old 12-14-2021, 06:41 AM
 
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Doctors retired in droves during COVID. No doubt it is easier to get into Medical School no matter what color or ethnicity you are. There is a huge shortage of doctors.
How does doctors retiring impact medical school admissions metrics in the short term? A derivative point is if we increase medical school admits too quickly we must increase the number of residencies in lagging but corresponding fashion or all these net new MDs will be bussing tables in four (or five or six) years.
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Old 12-14-2021, 06:44 AM
 
Location: Cape Cod
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There is nothing wrong with more minorities applying to medical school as long as the Democrats and the Left leaning school didn't lower their standards to accept a more diverse crowd in.

If you needed medical aide would you want a Doctor that was trained and hired through an Affirmative Action requirement or some Social Equity standards?



I think it is terrific that more people of color are applying to medical school because they are needed and they are just as smart as white people when challenged. Let's hope the Dems don't lower the standards to make themselves feel better.
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Old 12-14-2021, 06:52 AM
 
Location: Chicago
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This is medical school...people could DIE.
People WILL die because of this misguided wokeness. Then the medical malpractice suits will start to stack up. When the woke medical institutions have to start paying millions upon millions in damages because incompetent doctors and surgeons got to where they are primarily because of the color of their skin, then this madness might possibly end.
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Old 12-14-2021, 06:55 AM
 
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So grading will soon become a racist construct I’m guessing. What could possibly go wrong?
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Old 12-14-2021, 06:56 AM
 
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So blacks and Hispanics now comprise 24% of 1st-year med school students, a substantially higher percentage than of recent college grads overall, and higher still than the black/Hispanic percentage science degree holders. So apparently it is now much easier to get into med school if you're black or Hispanic. And the pressure to move these students through the pipeline and make them doctors will be huge. America is moving toward a situation where a substantial proportion of its medical workforce hold their positions entirely due to affirmative action.

At 51.5%, whites are now highly underrepresented, among the college grad population, in med school admissions. This is a good thing?


Gains? If women are already in the majority in med school, what are they gaining on? How many more "gains" need to be made? I wonder what degree of female dominance and anti-white racial preference in med school admissions would be satisfactory to Dr. Young and the AAMC.

https://www.medscape.com/viewarticle/964591?src=
When you LOWER the standards via Affirmative Action.......!
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Old 12-14-2021, 06:58 AM
 
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Was this done through the achievements of minorities or the lowering of standards and/or quotas? If the former, good for them! If the latter, bad for future patients.
100% the later. I've been in and out of academia for a many years and we have several close relatives who are MDs or are currently in medical school or residency.

A. There's no way a spasm of more pre-med qualified blacks and Hispanics emerged over the course of a year. It just didn't happen.

B. Every medical school, including those along the top tier, per academic qualifications admits a wider range than many might expect. Over time it'll be the 4.00/42 old scale MCAT plus all the softer stuff at the top ranging down to outliers at the bottom who usually get in because they are minimally qualified on the merits but may have been a cop, nurse, EMT, clergy, teacher etc. My son's medical school has a history accepting vets. way below the academic mean for an example.

However, these types of special admits have been, historically, very limited in number. What's going on this year is a spasm of lesser achievers admitted.

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Old 12-14-2021, 07:01 AM
 
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If they pass their boards and are well trained I don’t see a problem.
Not every doctor needs to be a genius to do a good job.
Different skills are needed for different specialties. Some require more strength and stamina, some greater artistic abilities, some must have a bedside manner and many need to have business sense.
While I agree with a portion of your post, the first sentence is problematic because if they loosened the standards of admission because it was "unfair", just what do you think they will do with the boards or schools if a disproportionate number cannot pass?

Loosen standards again because the process must be racist?

Where do you start to recognize that the problem may be far downstream, still due to historic racism where the family environment is not good and education is not a focus? That the pool of candidates may actually just not be prepared and that the filtering process is not the problem and cannot be fixed with shortcuts?

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Old 12-14-2021, 07:05 AM
 
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White males at the top of their class are not pursuing Medicine at the same rate as they use to, at least that is what I see. Medical school is no longer considered the best route for the top of classes coming out of High school and those enrolled as undergrads in college.

What I hear from Top Students at 3 Major Florida Universities against Medical school: The work/life imbalance, the debt coming out of school, 16 hour days for years, little area for startup businesses as big hospital groups soak up everything, and you still might make less than running a hedge fund or hitting it big with a tech startup. College students are much more willing to risk their future on a new business or startup than focus on a guaranteed income over 30+ years (talking top tier students).

And even if you are out in 20 hour days for a tech startup, if it hits, you can literally retire on the spot, your DONE!!!. Medicine never ends, the long days continue until you are near ready to retire in your 60's.

And to be honest they are right. Right now the Top of classes regardless of RACE are going to Tech, Finance, Government such a CIA and NSA, or making a career path run at high-end executive jobs. That means medical schools outside of the very top schools are now picking from the top 10% of graduates, not the top 3% like in previous decades.

I see this trend the most with White males in college. It was already rare to see white men going into Primary Care and other lower-paying roles because that is NOT where the money is at. The US has been padding Primary care with Nurse Practitioners, PA's, foreign docs, and we have seen an increase in US-born minorities entering Primary care as more minority students complete pre-med undergrads. Now that the money has caught up in other fields outside of medicine, white males are not going into medicine at the same rate they use to.

I am sure the past 2 years with Covid and the stress all medical personnel have endured in a very public way will speed up the process of students moving away from medicine and even nursing.
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