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Those are all made up lies to justify zionism. The Israelis dont live in the desert parts. They live in the arable parts that had plenty of people living there for thousands of years prior.
You are misinformed. The early settlers irrigated the deserts and planted crops and trees. They developed the wastelands. You should read some history.
You are misinformed. The early settlers irrigated the deserts and planted crops and trees. They developed the wastelands. You should read some history.
Where the Jews ever farmers? Then all of a sudden they come to a supposed inhospitable location, and make it arable? So inhospitable, there was virtually no human settlement. The Levant is part of the Fertile Crescent. Must be called that for a reason.
In this case, history has been written by the victors. I prefer not to read propaganda.
Go for it. I am always open to learning new facts. The Palestinians were always there since time immemorial. The settlers harassing and terrorizing the Palestinians are NOT right.
Where the Jews ever farmers? Then all of a sudden they come to a supposed inhospitable location, and make it arable? So inhospitable, there was virtually no human settlement. The Levant is part of the Fertile Crescent. Must be called that for a reason.
In this case, history has been written by the victors. I prefer not to read propaganda.
I guess you never heard of a kibbutz? They were the communal farms that changed Israel from desert to farm land.
Still doesn't give them any moral right above others who have lived there just as long.
Human migration has been a thing since the original movement of people out of the Great Rift Valley. If you wish to educate yourself on this issue read Before the Dawn: Recovering the Lost History of Our Ancestors by Nicholas Wade. You will read that soon after man's birth man starting migrating first to Asia, then Australia and then some backing and filling towards Europe. Long before Zionism.
Now why would those evil evil Israeli's ever want to harm those poor 'indigenous' poor peaceful poor innocent poor poor 'Palestinians' who never ever did them any harm whatsoever?
Naftali Frenkel
Gilad Shaer
Eyal Yifrah
Yehudah Glick
Etc.
So the OP had a friend who lived in Israel. Has the OP ever been there? I have. In the Old City of Jerusalem in the Muslum quarter I was grabbed by a shopkeeper to attempt to force me into his store. I had a muslum boy continuously run his cart into my heels from behind in the narrow streets while I obviously could not go faster being behind another muslum old woman.
Once you are east of the seam line, trash is thrown on the ground, west of it, folks use receptacles. You can look across the Kidron Valley and see all the trash on the ground and dumped down the hillsides, but I am sure that is the fault of the 'evil' Jews.
Over the past 40 years history has been revised. We see some of the crap in this thread. Propaganda has shamelessly been endlessly repeated. Who was it, Goebbals who said that if you repeat a lie enough times then it becomes the truth? Well, Arafat set it in motion and the terror lovers eagerly picked it up. The OP's "indigenous" comment (as well as everything else the OP and his hateful cohorts have said) is total bull.
There was never a country called Palestine and there is no historical "Palestinian people".
Just some additional bits of interesting info which further debunks the myth of "the Palestinians":
"Palestine" is the English version of the Roman name "Palaestina". After the Romans savagely crushed the Jewish revolts of the first and second centuries of the common era, in which many Jewish men, women, and children were either murdered or expelled and enslaved, the Romans renamed Judea to Palaestina. Why the rename? Because as punishment for the revolt they wanted to eradicate the Jewish presence. And why did they choose the name Palaestina (there were no longer any Philistine people)? Because the Philistines were the ancient enemy of the Jews.
So today's so-called "Palestinians" have nothing to do with the name Palestine and their is no historical Palestine beyond Gaza.
The terms "Palestinians" and "Palestine" are tossed around ignorantly. The Arabs who today call themselves Palestinians have no historical legitimacy to Palestine.
So Palestine is simply a historical name. It has nothing to do with Arabs.
In fact, before the state of Israel, the term "Palestine" and "Palestinians" referred to Jews and the Jewish community. Jews created the Palestine Post, the Palestine Symphony Orchestra, the Palestine Electric Company. They even represented Palestine in the 1936 Olympics. "Palestine" and "Jews" became interchangeable. After Israel took control of the "west bank" in a war of survival in 1967, there suddenly appeared a "Palestinian people" beginning in the late 1970's.
This canard of historical "ownership" and an Arab national history in Palestine was created by Arafat's PLO in the late 20th century and has been promulgated ever since then. The concept of a "Palestinian people" or nation exists in a political context, not an historical one.
There has never been a land known as Palestine governed by Arabs. Today's "Palestinians" are Arabs, indistinguishable from Jordanians (another recent invention), Syrians, Iraqis, etc. Keep in mind that the Arabs control 99.9 percent of the Middle East lands. Israel represents one-tenth of one percent of the landmass. But that's too much for the Arabs. They want it all. And that is ultimately what the fighting in Israel is about today... "No matter how many land concessions the Israelis make, it will never be enough". See Joseph Farah, "Myths of the Middle East" Myths of the Middle East and "The Unreal Palestinians"
Today's "Palestinians" are mostly descendants of Arab migrants who came to Palestine from neighboring Arab areas in search of jobs that were created, ironically, by the Jewish agricultural and industrial revival of the area in the 1800's. They are no different culturally, linguistically, and religiously from their 300 million Arab brethren. (Unfortunately, their morality is just as depraved).
The only sovereign states that have existed in the region have been Jewish ones.
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I more or less side with this but really if you want to assess rightful ownership do it based on who deserves it as of right here and now and not on vague stories from 4,000 yrs ago. The Jews deserve it because they made something of it. The Palestinian Arabs squatted in mud huts living in poverty on barren dry land forever. The Jews living beside them made something of the land, irrigated it and farmed it. Their Arab neighbors got short shrift by their Ottoman masters who liked the taxes the more prosperous Jews paid and they sold them more and more land. The BIG lie is that the Jews stole the land from the Palestinian Arabs. They didn't. Their own Muslim brothers did because the Jews made something of the land. This is a metric for land ownership the world over. It's called "proving the land". Settlers get allocated a parsel but it's not truly theirs until they build on it, farm it and make it a going concern. The Jews did, the Palestinian Arabs didn't. They just sat there in their Muslim inshallah fatalism wallowing in their eternal poverty because God wills it. Screw them. The Jews deserve the land.
Let me add as one who has researched this from many many sources as well as remembering the news events in their original chronological order over the last almost sixty years.
When it was the Ottoman empire, where were these 'Palestinians'? If the one Pasha had not decided to enter WWI on the losing side, we wouldn't be discussing this. As said above the Ottoman's were allowing Jews to emigrate back to the region now known as the Nation of Israel since the mid 1800's. Even still there have been continuous Jewish presence in Israel; Safed, Tiberius, etc. Arabs have been committing violence on the Jews for hundreds of years. Look up the Safed attacks in the 1600's, 1800's, Hebron in the 1800's and 1929.
Anyways, Britain and France decided to make agreements between themselves, the Jews and the Arabs during WWI. They promised independent states to both out of the remains of the Ottoman empire. The Ottomans lost, and France and Britain conquered the area, specifically Britain conquered the area now known as the Nation of Israel. For the British, it was called the Mandate for Palestine. Then they carved off more than half for the Arabs to have their independent state, now know as Jordan.
But the Arabs could not and still do not settle for that. They continue to want the land to be Jew free from the river to the sea. The 'settlement' situation seemed to always follow either a failed peace treaty or outright attack from the Arabs on the Jews. The biggest failure was when Arafat was offered everything he wanted in 2000 but still walked.
At the end of the day, you can find all this information yourself without relying on one source that folks can find an excuse to dismiss. When you hit them with all the sources, then you see them twist reality into a tiny little pretzel.
Like the OP has done.
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