New Data: Latinos prefer GOP, Suburban/Rural whites become more Republican, Dems base narrows to blacks, big city whites (unemployment, party affiliation)
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Not a Democrat but I'm a minority so I think I can explain. It's a matter combination of 3 threes: mass marketing, urban concentrations, and emotional appeal.
The Democrats have a very minority focused marketing strategy in which they specifically cater to the perceived needs and desires of the different demographics within their voter base whereas the GOP strategy is more of a "Big Tent" philosophy where there's far less focus on marketing to different groups to court votes. The Democrats are more likely to push their marketing in predominately Black areas and institutions such as schools, churches, etc. I'm not a Democrat yet I've encountered the mayor and other DNC politicians in my "majority-minority" city many times, including the building I currently work in. Meanwhile, I literally had to do a deep Google search on who even ran for the GOP in the last race due to the non-existent promotion and urban presence in my community. I voted for a random GOP candidate in the last election with very limited information and no contact.
Secondly, you have to remember that most minority(especially Black) populations are concentrated in city areas where Republicans tend to fare off the worst, even amongst urban Whites. Republicans do best in suburban and rural areas where they pull the most votes. This explains the lack of balance between how GOP and DNC candidates get promoted and marketed in urban cities such as mine but it also suggests that many urban Black/minority voters may not even be aware of the Republicans running in their own cities. And the GOP candidates in most urban areas seem to already accept their defeats before election time. It's simply hard in general for Republicans to resonate with urban voters even if they're White(See: Seattle, San Francisco, and Portland).
Lastly, it's emotional appeal. Democrats are like a male relationship guru who tells his female audience exactly what they want to hear and says that men need to step up their game when it comes to women.
Women will naturally support a guru like this over someone like Kevin Samuels or Jordan Peterson who actually give women cold/un-PC but sound advice for maintaining families and financially supporting themselves without depending on men. They get labeled "misogynistic" anyway.
I personally never cared for politicians sugarcoating the issues or excessively pandering and I've always been Bi-Partisan so the DNC marketing towards minorities which promises safety nets and "victories" against racism never meant jack to me.
But many minorities, especially women, fall for it because Democrats generally make bold economic and fiscal promises for minorities in terms of safety nets, infrastructure, child care, minimum wage hikes, etc. while portraying Republicans as greedy racists who view them as "welfare queens."
There's a lot more to it than that but I hope I at least broke down the fundamental aspect.
Curious, are you black? You've described it pretty well and in fact reinforced my thoughts on it to. I don't believe in pandering to certain racial, ethnic or gender groups either. A lot of minorities and women want to be treated equally with whites and males but want to be given special perks. That's hypocritical, IMO. Well played Democrats but it's going to bite you in the end in many ways.
Curious, are you black? You've described it pretty well and in fact reinforced my thoughts on it to. I don't believe in pandering to certain racial, ethnic or gender groups either. A lot of minorities and women want to be treated equally with whites and males but want to be given special perks. That's hypocritical, IMO. Well played Democrats but it's going to bite you in the end in many ways.
Yes. If you check my profile, I'm one of the few verified Black posters on here.
Well,this is how I see things. I'll vote for whoever I see fit. Anyone trying to make me feel stupid about my vote, well, nothing said persons can do.
Never said stupid... I said you're living in a prison of ignorance by drinking the koolaide. Hey listen... if you like it, then have your fill and live a blue pill existance. No skin off my nose.
Biden thinks he owns blacks .. When Biden said if you don't vote for me , "you ain't black"... Biden dictates who is black and who isn't .. what a total insult. If blacks vote for Biden they deserve to continue to be a slave to this installed moron who says he owns them and can dictate who is black and who isn't. I just see blacks as totally brainwashed for years.
Yes. If you check my profile, I'm one of the few verified Black posters on here.
And I agree with you on the hypocrisy.
Glad to see a black American in here actually admit the truth about black and minority voting patterns and why they vote the way they do. It's pretty much self-serving along with believing the lies of the Democrats that the Republicans are racists. What happened to the "we are all in this together concept"? One black poster in here gets all offended if you dare even ask him why he votes Democrat, refuses to answer that question and claims you are attacking him and calling him names which is just a cop out for not answering. He has admitted that he only thinks about himself and his race. So there's that self-serving motive. I could never think that way. When I vote it's based on what is good for country and our citizens as a whole. It's not based on my racial or personal interests.
Two Republicans have been able to get a relatively large amount of the Hispanic vote: Reagan (2nd term) and Bush Jr (2nd term). Reagan worked very hard to court the Hispanic vote back in the 1980s. Anyone who claims that the GOP has never done race pandering, go look to Reagan.
The GOP couldn't attract Black voters in the 1980s, so they went for the Hispanic vote. Well, it got Reagan a 2nd term.
Reagan and Bush Jr. wanted amnesty for illegal aliens and Reagan did sign one of which he regretted. I don't think his motive was to pander to Hispanics as he was promised by the Democrats that we would get border security in exchange for it. Well we know how that worked out, don't we? The Bush's have Hispanic relatives so that was probably the motive there rather than pandering to the Hispanic voter in general. At any rate neither party should be pandering to any ethnic/racial group.
I am glad that at least one black poster in here admitted why most of his race votes Democrat. It's exactly what I have been stating all along......socialism and the belief that the Republican party is racist because the Democrats have told them so but not based on the truth!
Not a Democrat but I'm a minority so I think I can explain. It's a matter combination of 3 threes: mass marketing, urban concentrations, and emotional appeal.
The Democrats have a very minority focused marketing strategy in which they specifically cater to the perceived needs and desires of the different demographics within their voter base whereas the GOP strategy is more of a "Big Tent" philosophy where there's far less focus on marketing to different groups to court votes. The Democrats are more likely to push their marketing in predominately Black areas and institutions such as schools, churches, etc. I'm not a Democrat yet I've encountered the mayor and other DNC politicians in my "majority-minority" city many times, including the building I currently work in. Meanwhile, I literally had to do a deep Google search on who even ran for the GOP in the last race due to the non-existent promotion and urban presence in my community. I voted for a random GOP candidate in the last election with very limited information and no contact.
It's sort of simple, but not as simple as that. Some Republican candidates have proven on a local level that they can do well among Black voters. However, on a national level, things fall apart. On a national level, there is a certain base that the GOP has to appeal to. Trying to appeal to Blacks and White conservatives at the same time is quite difficult.
GOP candidates rarely stop at Black churches or other predominantly Black institutions, etc. Because of this, this is likely going to translate as "you don't care about Black constituents".
When it comes to the GOP, "NASCAR Dads" are among the constituents we hear about. It's well-known that very few Blacks watch NASCAR. GOP candidates are often found campaigning in places where few Blacks live.
Alabama is one example. Alabama is 26% Black, higher than most states. Trump managed to find a place where few Blacks live. He held a rally in Cullman, AL (90% White, 1% Black, 6% Hispanic). Now, he could have held the rally in Huntsville. Largest city in Alabama. Madison County (where Huntsville is located) voted for him. However, he went to Cullman. This is not a good look for this reason: Cullman had a reputation for being a sundown town. For a long time, Blacks were not allowed to live in Cullman. Today, such laws are null and void. However, it still has that reputation. Few Blacks go there. Trump held a rally there several months ago. I wonder "why there? Of all the places in Alabama, why there?".
I also thought about Trump's "Vote for me, what do you have to lose" speech. He didn't go to the predominantly Black neighborhoods in Milwaukee. He went to West Bend, where few Blacks live.
The minority strategy works for Democrats not only because they go to predominantly Black areas. It works because of who ISN'T going there.
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Secondly, you have to remember that most minority(especially Black) populations are concentrated in city areas where Republicans tend to fare off the worst, even amongst urban Whites. Republicans do best in suburban and rural areas where they pull the most votes. This explains the lack of balance between how GOP and DNC candidates get promoted and marketed in urban cities such as mine but it also suggests that many urban Black/minority voters may not even be aware of the Republicans running in their own cities. And the GOP candidates in most urban areas seem to already accept their defeats before election time. It's simply hard in general for Republicans to resonate with urban voters even if they're White(See: Seattle, San Francisco, and Portland).
Depends on where you go. In states like Wisconsin, New Jersey, and Pennsylvania, Blacks are highly concentrated in the cities. However, in states like Georgia, Alabama, and Mississippi, alot of Blacks live in rural areas too. In Mississippi, there are more Blacks in rural areas than in the urban areas. The South has more Blacks than any other region. The South has the bulk of the rural majority-Black areas. Blacks living in the rural South are just as likely to vote Democrat as Blacks living in the cities. It isn't just the cities with Republicans don't do very well (with some exceptions. OKC and Tulsa support Republicans). Republicans do very poorly in predominantly Black rural area.
Georgia is a good example. Not only did the GOP do poorly in the cities, it did poorly in predominantly Black suburbs. It also did poorly among diverse populations over all. Georgia's White population has dropped from 70% in 1990 to 51% in 2020.
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Lastly, it's emotional appeal. Democrats are like a male relationship guru who tells his female audience exactly what they want to hear and says that men need to step up their game when it comes to women.
Women will naturally support a guru like this over someone like Kevin Samuels or Jordan Peterson who actually give women cold/un-PC but sound advice for maintaining families and financially supporting themselves without depending on men. They get labeled "misogynistic" anyway.
You could say the same about the GOP. Alot of people tend to vote for anyone who tells them what they want to hear.
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I personally never cared for politicians sugarcoating the issues or excessively pandering and I've always been Bi-Partisan so the DNC marketing towards minorities which promises safety nets and "victories" against racism never meant jack to me.
But many minorities, especially women, fall for it because Democrats generally make bold economic and fiscal promises for minorities in terms of safety nets, infrastructure, child care, minimum wage hikes, etc. while portraying Republicans as greedy racists who view them as "welfare queens."
There's a lot more to it than that but I hope I at least broke down the fundamental aspect.
There are some things I need to mention. I don't think "safety nets" are the biggest thing many Blacks are looking for. Most Black people work. The "safety net" issue doesn't explain the Black middle class voting Democrat. It doesn't explain the Black upper class voting Democrat.
It is easy for some people to view the GOP as racist. Newt Gingrich and his "Blacks should seek jobs not food stamps" comment. On the outside, it might seem like tough love. However, to Black people who do work, who aren't on welfare, it sounds insulting. And for Black people who are concerned about things like job discrimination, it just sounds cold. Rick Santorum's comment about "I don't want to make Black people's lives by giving them someone else's money" at the Iowa caucus. Basically, it's speaking of Black people as if they're some burden or the like. The "welfare queen" comments do not help either. If a politician is perceived as viewing Blacks as "welfare queens", or a "burden", would you really expect many Black people to vote for said person?
When you have persons like Trent Lott, George Allen, Frank Artiles, Tom Worthan, etc making racist comments about Blacks (or in the case of Trent Lott, showing support for Strom Thurmond), that makes it easy for some Blacks to see the GOP as racist. The attempt at using the Southern Strategy during the late 1960s did not help either.
I also think about this. I live in the South. I am disgusted by the lionization of Confederates that has historically taking place in the South. I am in favor of tearing down every Confederate statue, period. Down here, I notice the persons who are the most likely to say "let them remain" are Republicans. I also notice that in Mississippi, it was a Republican candidate, Senator Chris McDaniel, who campaigned using a Confederate flag. Knowing that most Blacks are adamantly against the Confederate flag, using it would soon drive alot of Blacks away.
I also think about this. Employment patterns within the Black population differ from other populations. There is a higher percentage of Blacks working in government jobs relative to other groups. There are fewer Blacks working in fields like mining. People who work in coal mining, and in oil/gas, will vote Republican in very high numbers. Black Americans have a relatively low representation in those fields. This can influence voting patterns.
The reasons most Blacks vote Democrat vary. In my view, this is how I see it. Most people of any race will vote for someone who says the right things to them.
It's sort of simple, but not as simple as that. Some Republican candidates have proven on a local level that they can do well among Black voters. However, on a national level, things fall apart. On a national level, there is a certain base that the GOP has to appeal to. Trying to appeal to Blacks and White conservatives at the same time is quite difficult.
GOP candidates rarely stop at Black churches or other predominantly Black institutions, etc. Because of this, this is likely going to translate as "you don't care about Black constituents".
When it comes to the GOP, "NASCAR Dads" are among the constituents we hear about. It's well-known that very few Blacks watch NASCAR. GOP candidates are often found campaigning in places where few Blacks live.
Alabama is one example. Alabama is 26% Black, higher than most states. Trump managed to find a place where few Blacks live. He held a rally in Cullman, AL (90% White, 1% Black, 6% Hispanic). Now, he could have held the rally in Huntsville. Largest city in Alabama. Madison County (where Huntsville is located) voted for him. However, he went to Cullman. This is not a good look for this reason: Cullman had a reputation for being a sundown town. For a long time, Blacks were not allowed to live in Cullman. Today, such laws are null and void. However, it still has that reputation. Few Blacks go there. Trump held a rally there several months ago. I wonder "why there? Of all the places in Alabama, why there?".
I also thought about Trump's "Vote for me, what do you have to lose" speech. He didn't go to the predominantly Black neighborhoods in Milwaukee. He went to West Bend, where few Blacks live.
The minority strategy works for Democrats not only because they go to predominantly Black areas. It works because of who ISN'T going there.
Depends on where you go. In states like Wisconsin, New Jersey, and Pennsylvania, Blacks are highly concentrated in the cities. However, in states like Georgia, Alabama, and Mississippi, alot of Blacks live in rural areas too. In Mississippi, there are more Blacks in rural areas than in the urban areas. The South has more Blacks than any other region. The South has the bulk of the rural majority-Black areas. Blacks living in the rural South are just as likely to vote Democrat as Blacks living in the cities. It isn't just the cities with Republicans don't do very well (with some exceptions. OKC and Tulsa support Republicans). Republicans do very poorly in predominantly Black rural area.
Georgia is a good example. Not only did the GOP do poorly in the cities, it did poorly in predominantly Black suburbs. It also did poorly among diverse populations over all. Georgia's White population has dropped from 70% in 1990 to 51% in 2020.
You could say the same about the GOP. Alot of people tend to vote for anyone who tells them what they want to hear.
There are some things I need to mention. I don't think "safety nets" are the biggest thing many Blacks are looking for. Most Black people work. The "safety net" issue doesn't explain the Black middle class voting Democrat. It doesn't explain the Black upper class voting Democrat.
It is easy for some people to view the GOP as racist. Newt Gingrich and his "Blacks should seek jobs not food stamps" comment. On the outside, it might seem like tough love. However, to Black people who do work, who aren't on welfare, it sounds insulting. And for Black people who are concerned about things like job discrimination, it just sounds cold. Rick Santorum's comment about "I don't want to make Black people's lives by giving them someone else's money" at the Iowa caucus. Basically, it's speaking of Black people as if they're some burden or the like. The "welfare queen" comments do not help either. If a politician is perceived as viewing Blacks as "welfare queens", or a "burden", would you really expect many Black people to vote for said person?
When you have persons like Trent Lott, George Allen, Frank Artiles, Tom Worthan, etc making racist comments about Blacks (or in the case of Trent Lott, showing support for Strom Thurmond), that makes it easy for some Blacks to see the GOP as racist. The attempt at using the Southern Strategy during the late 1960s did not help either.
I also think about this. I live in the South. I am disgusted by the lionization of Confederates that has historically taking place in the South. I am in favor of tearing down every Confederate statue, period. Down here, I notice the persons who are the most likely to say "let them remain" are Republicans. I also notice that in Mississippi, it was a Republican candidate, Senator Chris McDaniel, who campaigned using a Confederate flag. Knowing that most Blacks are adamantly against the Confederate flag, using it would soon drive alot of Blacks away.
I also think about this. Employment patterns within the Black population differ from other populations. There is a higher percentage of Blacks working in government jobs relative to other groups. There are fewer Blacks working in fields like mining. People who work in coal mining, and in oil/gas, will vote Republican in very high numbers. Black Americans have a relatively low representation in those fields. This can influence voting patterns.
The reasons most Blacks vote Democrat vary. In my view, this is how I see it. Most people of any race will vote for someone who says the right things to them.
But why do they seem so easy to overlook or forgive democrats who make racist statements or consort with democrats who have racist pasts? If a republican said some of the things that Joe Biden has said, black people would be quick to point fingers and yell "RACIST". But since a democrat is the one saying these things, the only people to even acknowledge it, are white conservatives. If we repeat it enough times, we might get some on the left to begrudgingly admit that it was a racist comment, but it doesn't change their vote, or their notion that the GOP is the racist party and the Dems are for the plight of black people.
But why do they seem so easy to overlook or forgive democrats who make racist statements or consort with democrats who have racist pasts? If a republican said some of the things that Joe Biden has said, black people would be quick to point fingers and yell "RACIST". But since a democrat is the one saying these things, the only people to even acknowledge it, are white conservatives. If we repeat it enough times, we might get some on the left to begrudgingly admit that it was a racist comment, but it doesn't change their vote, or their notion that the GOP is the racist party and the Dems are for the plight of black people.
It's obvious by his complaints that the Republicans aren't going out of their way to visit their churches and neighborhoods. Why the heck should a politician do that? They should appeal to all Americans and appear where there is a mix of us all! That way it doesn't look like they are pandering to a certain group.
There is nothing wrong with telling blacks or any other race to work instead of living off the government dole. But because many blacks do the latter they are offended by the truth. They have the highest rate of welfare usage percentage wise to their population numbers.
Truth be told, even if the Republicans visited dozens of black neighborhoods and churches unless they promised them socialism as the Democrats do they still wouldn't vote for them! The GOP knows this so why would they waste their time?
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