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Old 12-20-2021, 08:29 AM
 
Location: Metro Detroit, Michigan
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It's a whole lot of stuff nobody wants or needs, but Brandon wants to shove it down our throats anyways. Only the well connected elites will benefit from it. The rest of us will get stuck with the bill, and the resulting inflation. Brandon wants to pass it very badly because his legacy is in ruins, and the hope is this will salvage it.
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Old 12-20-2021, 08:32 AM
 
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Now that we see BBB is on hold, there is a lot of backlash going on towards Manchin. His state is a definitely poor state, and some of the social programs seem like they would benefit his constituents. So, I'm wondering why he is against it ? And so many here.

I don't think I've seen a thread here breaking down the bill. There are definitely some positive things on it, but the sheer size and cost of it is mind boggling. And I don't for a second believe the "it's fully funded" BS they are pushing.

Let's see some of the positives and negatives to this bill.
It's easy enough to research it. https://www.congress.gov/bill/117th-...ouse-bill/5376

...the bill provides funding for

management of the National Forest System;
job placement and career services;
safe drinking water, energy-efficiency, and weatherization projects;
electric vehicles and zero-emission, heavy-duty vehicles;
public health infrastructure and supply chain resiliency;
housing, rental, and homeowner assistance programs;
cybersecurity programs;
tribal infrastructure, housing, environmental, and health programs;
wildfire prevention, drought relief, conservation efforts, and climate change research;
small business assistance and development;
transit services and clean energy projects in low-income communities; and
infrastructure and administration of the Department of Veterans Affairs.
Additionally, the bill establishes programs to provide

up to six semesters of free community college,
free child care for children under the age of six,
free universal preschool services, and
health benefits for eligible individuals who reside in states that have not expanded Medicaid.
The bill also includes provisions that

establish a methane fee for certain petroleum and natural gas facilities;
expand Medicare to cover dental, hearing, and vision care;
provide certain aliens with a path to permanent resident status (e.g., those who entered the United States as minors);
provide up to 12 weeks of paid family and medical leave;
restructure and increase the tax rates for certain corporations and high-income individuals (e.g., individuals with income over $400,000); and
require the Department of Health and Human Services to negotiate maximum prices for certain brand-name drugs under Medicare
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Old 12-20-2021, 08:34 AM
 
Location: New Jersey and hating it
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It's easy enough to research it. https://www.congress.gov/bill/117th-...ouse-bill/5376

...the bill provides funding for

management of the National Forest System;
job placement and career services;
safe drinking water, energy-efficiency, and weatherization projects;
electric vehicles and zero-emission, heavy-duty vehicles;
public health infrastructure and supply chain resiliency;
housing, rental, and homeowner assistance programs;
cybersecurity programs;
tribal infrastructure, housing, environmental, and health programs;
wildfire prevention, drought relief, conservation efforts, and climate change research;
small business assistance and development;
transit services and clean energy projects in low-income communities; and
infrastructure and administration of the Department of Veterans Affairs.
Additionally, the bill establishes programs to provide

up to six semesters of free community college,
free child care for children under the age of six,
free universal preschool services, and
health benefits for eligible individuals who reside in states that have not expanded Medicaid.
The bill also includes provisions that

establish a methane fee for certain petroleum and natural gas facilities;
expand Medicare to cover dental, hearing, and vision care;
provide certain aliens with a path to permanent resident status (e.g., those who entered the United States as minors);
provide up to 12 weeks of paid family and medical leave;
restructure and increase the tax rates for certain corporations and high-income individuals (e.g., individuals with income over $400,000); and
require the Department of Health and Human Services to negotiate maximum prices for certain brand-name drugs under Medicare
That’s the marketing brochure selling points. It says all the nice things but scratch the surface and you see the ugly truth.
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Old 12-20-2021, 08:37 AM
 
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That’s the marketing brochure selling points. It says all the nice things but scratch the surface and you see the ugly truth.
There’s also a provision to require auto makers to install a device to detect any signs of drug or alcohol impairment and in some way disable the vehicle.
https://www.marketwatch.com/story/in...rk-11630607081
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Old 12-20-2021, 08:39 AM
 
Location: New Jersey and hating it
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Funny thing is that a couple of years ago when Trump and the GOP had proposed an infrastructure bill that actually was all about infrastructure, the evil Democrats were all against it.

That shows the Democrats aren’t interested in infrastructure at all. They are interested in spending on their Leftist causes but that won’t sell to the American public so they disguise it as infrastructure.
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Old 12-20-2021, 08:39 AM
 
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I would be in favor of most of these items. I would think the expansion of Medicare and the lowering of prescription drug prices would be popular. I approve of free community college, but I know some do not. I favor the promotion of electric vehicles and alternative fuels, but I know that those who don't believe in climate change might oppose. From all the items included in BBB, I would think we could keep the ones that are more popular and ditch the more controversial ones.
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Old 12-20-2021, 08:42 AM
 
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https://nypost.com/2021/11/19/critic...better-agenda/
A more in-depth article with links to sources
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Old 12-20-2021, 08:42 AM
 
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That’s the marketing brochure selling points. It says all the nice things but scratch the surface and you see the ugly truth.
It's from the Congress website. According to the site, the summaries are written by the CRS:

"The Congressional Research Service (CRS) of the Library of Congress works exclusively for the United States Congress, providing policy and legal analysis to committees and Members of both the House and Senate, regardless of party affiliation. CRS provides Congress with analysis that is authoritative, confidential, objective, and non-partisan"
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Old 12-20-2021, 08:45 AM
 
Location: OH->FL->NJ
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If the bill was strictly for roads, bridges, airports, rail, shipping ways, and utilities then the bill would have already been passed. Problem is all the completely unrelated items added over inflating the total cost. If that dollar amount was solely dedicated to infrastructure our country would be in great shape.
This.

A pure bill would sail through.

Add in some chip manufacturing plants. Taiwan having such a huge percentage of worldwide production is a terrible economic and military risk.
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Old 12-20-2021, 08:58 AM
 
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If the bill was strictly for roads, bridges, airports, rail, shipping ways, and utilities then the bill would have already been passed. Problem is all the completely unrelated items added over inflating the total cost. If that dollar amount was solely dedicated to infrastructure our country would be in great shape.
They already did that. It was the bipartisan infrastructure bill ($1.2T) that passed congress and was signed by Biden.
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