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Old 12-23-2021, 05:04 AM
 
Location: A safe distance from San Francisco
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BioNtech is NOT "APPROVED", and is what is only available under "EMERGECY" measures.

"Corminaty" is NOT AVAILABLE, just like the LONG TERM SIDE AFFECTS of these POISONS being administered!!!

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That is an Occupationall threat of exposure, not a general public health threat.

Whereas the vaccinated can an do carry and spread Covid where is the reconciliation of no testing mandate for those? So certainly not a "opt out" that makes any practical sense at all.

This is a free pass to allow the vaccinated to bring Covid to the work site carte blanc and illustrates the folly of using OSHA to mandate vaccines.
Just use your ignore list, people. Don't let him tie this thread in knots

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Old 12-23-2021, 05:06 AM
 
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This is an interesting development. Per the original 5th Circuit order blocking the employer mandate (impacting those workplaces with more than 100 employees), OSHA has issued only 10 emergency temporary standards (ETS). 6 of those ETS were challenged in court, with only 1 of them surviving legal scrutiny.

The OSHA language on ETS require that such orders:

(1) address “substances or agents determined to be toxic or physically harmful”—or “new hazards”—in the workplace; (2) show that workers are exposed to such “substances,” “agents,” or “new hazards” in the workplace; (3) show that said exposure places workers in “grave danger”; and (4) be “necessary” to alleviate employees’ exposure to gravely dangerous hazards in the workplace."

Sources: https://www.law.cornell.edu/uscode/text/29/655 and https://www.ca5.uscourts.gov/opinion...-60845-CV0.pdf (citing to the statute at page 9).

There are interesting legal arguments on both sides, including whether the statute allows OSHA to issue ETS to tackle "agents" or "new hazards" that are widely present in society vice primarily within the workplace. From where I stand, however--and constitutional concerns aside for a moment--I argue that the ETS fails on statutory grounds, alone. At a minimum, I argue that it is hard to claim that COVID is an agent or new hazard that places workers in "grave danger" given the extremely low fatality rate (and serious illness rate) and considering that those most likely to be in "grave danger" (which denotes extreme risk that can prove fatal) are persons who are likely to be retired and no longer in the active work force. It is, thus, way over inclusive and covers far many more people than necessary to fit within what courts have long determined to be a more targeted lane that OSHA must swim in for these kinds of orders. There is clear societal benefit to requiring employer vaccines, but OSHA doesn't have authority to enact rules for the benefit of society, only for the workplace, and even then things must fit within the statutory intent.
I stand with this.
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Old 12-23-2021, 05:09 AM
 
Location: A safe distance from San Francisco
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The Supreme Court would literally have to go out of its way and literally reinvent language to uphold these mandates. And all I can say to my fellow American citizens, is if they do somehow managed to do that? It literally is probably time to move to the hills. Lol because if they can get away with this, under our constitution, they can get away with literally anything.

If the Supreme Court isn’t somehow caught up and involved in this conspiracy, they will reject it 100%.
Very true, but with the Roberts court? Slim chance that they're not. I am not even a little optimistic.
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Old 12-23-2021, 05:13 AM
 
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Very true, but with the Roberts court? Slim chance that they're not. I am not even a little optimistic.
Sadly we know Roberts likes to write Law, not interpret it.
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Old 12-23-2021, 05:54 AM
 
Location: A safe distance from San Francisco
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I stand with this.
I hope you don't stand with the wording written by a moron with no business ever being a judge....

"There is clear societal benefit to requiring employer vaccines"
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Old 12-23-2021, 06:37 AM
 
Location: Wouldn't you like to know?
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great news, hope the SC strikes down this clear government overreach.
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Old 12-23-2021, 06:39 AM
 
Location: East Lansing, MI
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There's no mandate in place so you got fired for failing to comply with your employer. Not because your employer was complying with OSHA. Your situation is different than the Supreme Court hearing discussed in this thread.

Your former employer has the freedom to choose who they hire and fire. Just like you have the freedom to choose who you work for. Btw, the vaccines are now FDA approved and not experimental.
Bingo.

Reps to you!
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Old 12-23-2021, 08:18 AM
 
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Then why won't they let us see the "science"?


https://www.uspresidentialelectionne...-vaccine-data/
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Old 12-23-2021, 09:05 AM
 
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Wrong. OSHA does not REQUIRE a Hep. B vaccine if a job puts an employee in contact with blood. it does require employees to take a Universal Precautions Course PRIOR to getting the vaccine and be tested yearly on that course, not tested for Hep. B. Google the OSHA Opt Out form for Hep. B online.

I worked with MR/DD population in Group Homes and in Public Schools with Special Needs Students. Signed that Opt Out Form for every new job I had. Changing the diapers of disabled teenage girls and women who had their periods.
Interesting. So it does have a choice just like the Covid Mandate.
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Old 12-23-2021, 09:08 AM
 
Location: A Nation Possessed
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They chose tyranny with the obamacare case. I don't hold much hope that they will do any different here. The passage of the tyrannical Healthcare Slavery Act was a sort of tipping point to our budding authoritarian collectivist nightmare. This mandated poison thing is just a next step. And we haven't even come close to reaching the basement yet. If Reverend Kane Biden mandated a cyanide injection, the Supreme Dolts would be on their knees and forming a line down the runway immediately, quivering in anticipation.
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