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Originally Posted by kdog
See? This is what you do. You misquote people and then you argue against it. Nice try.
No one was charged with "attempting to stop the electoral vote certification" and I never said they did. Here is what I said which you even quoted. Read it.
Got it? Obstructing Congress.
We'll start with the A's. All of the following have multiple other charges. But I'll just include the obstruction ones that agree with what I said.
Thomas B Adams: "Obstruction of an Official Proceeding"
Howard Berton Adams: "Obstruction of Justice/Congress"
Zachary Alam: "Obstruction of an Official Proceeding"
Christopher Alberts: Unlawful Possession of a Firearm on Capitol Grounds or Buildings; Unlawful Entry or Remaining on Restricted Grounds without Lawful Authoirty; Carrying a Pistol without a License Outside Home or Place of Business; Possession of a Large Capacity Ammunition Feeding Device (I threw this one in for those of you denying anyone had firearms there)
Anthony Antonio: "Obstruction of an Official Proceeding and Aiding and Abetting"
Ryan Ashlock: "Obstruction of an Official Proceeding"
Michael Ayres: "Obstruction of an Official Proceeding"
Again, those are just the 'A's. I left off an equal amount of A's that essentially had the same charges of obstructing congress, but typically called it, "Disorderly and Disruptive Conduct in a Restricted Building". If we included those, it would double those. How many more do you think we'd have if we went through the entire list? Hundreds?
Take a breath.
You make it sound like the electoral vote certification was stopped for good, forever, when it wasn't. unbind your knickers. In the end, the vast majority were charged with trespassing.
Yes, overthrow and it's very real since these Trump supporters are going to jail because of their loyalty to him. What do you think the point was to storm our Capitol.
Take a breath.
You make it sound like the electoral vote certification was stopped for good, forever, when it wasn't.
Then you're hearing things.
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unbind your knickers. In the end, the vast majority were charged with trespassing.
Who told you that? Tucker Carlson? That's quite some spin there. If you'd bother to glance through the DOJ link of the arrests I gave you, you would see that not one of the 726 people arrested were charged with a crime called, "trespassing". Among other things, most or all of them were charged with, "Entering and Remaining in a Restricted Building". 18 U.S. Code § 1752. If you look up the code you will that the a Restricted Building in this context is a Federal building. So simply calling that charge trespassing, if that's what you mean, is disingenuous.
But even worse, ALL of those arrested face multiple charges. So even if you argue that 18 U.S. Code § 1752 is trespassing, NONE of them have that as the only charge. So your premise is false.
Going back to Zachary Alam for example. He's charged with the following.
Assaulting, Resisting, or Impeding Certain Officers; Assaulting, Resisting, or Impeding Certain Officers Using a Dangerous Weapon; Civil Disorder and Aiding and Abetting; Destruction of Government Property Exceeding $1,000; Obstruction of an Official Proceeding and Aiding and Abetting; Entering and Remaining in a Restricted Building with a Deadly or Dangerous Weapon; Engaging in Physical Violence in a Restricted Building with a Deadly or Dangerous Weapon; Disorderly Conduct in a Capitol Building; Act of Physical Violence in the Capitol Building; Parading, Demonstrating, or Picketing in Capitol
Every single person arrested has multiple charges.
Trumpers are attempting to whitewash these crimes against our Democracy, and it's sickening.
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Originally Posted by kdog
Then you're hearing things. Who told you that? Tucker Carlson? That's quite some spin there. If you'd bother to glance through the DOJ link of the arrests I gave you, you would see that not one of the 726 people arrested were charged with a crime called, "trespassing". Among other things, most or all of them were charged with, "Entering and Remaining in a Restricted Building". 18 U.S. Code § 1752. If you look up the code you will that the a Restricted Building in this context is a Federal building. So simply calling that charge trespassing, if that's what you mean, is disingenuous.
But even worse, ALL of those arrested face multiple charges. So even if you argue that 18 U.S. Code § 1752 is trespassing, NONE of them have that as the only charge. So your premise is false.
Going back to Zachary Alam for example. He's charged with the following.
Assaulting, Resisting, or Impeding Certain Officers; Assaulting, Resisting, or Impeding Certain Officers Using a Dangerous Weapon; Civil Disorder and Aiding and Abetting; Destruction of Government Property Exceeding $1,000; Obstruction of an Official Proceeding and Aiding and Abetting; Entering and Remaining in a Restricted Building with a Deadly or Dangerous Weapon; Engaging in Physical Violence in a Restricted Building with a Deadly or Dangerous Weapon; Disorderly Conduct in a Capitol Building; Act of Physical Violence in the Capitol Building; Parading, Demonstrating, or Picketing in Capitol
Every single person arrested has multiple charges.
That is basically what trespass is, being somewhere without permission to be there. But you already know this, or you should anyway. Idk, maybe you don't....but that's on you.
The penalty for doing so is generally a misdemeanor, unless certain actions take place and if so then it would be a felony:
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(b) Violation of this section, and attempts or conspiracies to commit such violations, shall be punishable by-
(1) a fine under this title or imprisonment for not more than 10 years, or both, if-
(A) the person, during and in relation to the offense, uses or carries a deadly or dangerous weapon or firearm; or
(B) the offense results in significant bodily injury as defined by section 2118(e)(3); and
(2) a fine under this title or imprisonment for not more than one year, or both, in any other case.
Some have also been charged with "Parading, Demonstrating, or Picketing in a Capitol Building".
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Trumpers are attempting to whitewash these crimes against our Democracy, and it's sickening.
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Originally Posted by natalie469
Yes, overthrow and it's very real since these Trump supporters are going to jail because of their loyalty to him. What do you think the point was to storm our Capitol.
To protest. Though for some it turned into a riot.
That is basically what trespass is, being somewhere without permission to be there. But you already know this, or you should anyway. Idk, maybe you don't....but that's on you.
The penalty for doing so is generally a misdemeanor, unless certain actions take place and if so then it would be a felony:
Some have also been charged with "Parading, Demonstrating, or Picketing in a Capitol Building".
Speaking of being disingenuous^
You must not have read what I said, so here it is again.
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Originally Posted by kdog
So even if you argue that 18 U.S. Code § 1752 is trespassing, NONE of them have that as the only charge.
You can call it whatever you want, but not one of those arrested have it as their only charge.
Like this fine fellow:
BALLARD, Thomas John Assaulting, Resisting or Impeding Certain Officers Using a Dangerous Weapon
Civil Disorder
Entering and Remaining in a Restricted Building or Grounds with a Deadly or Dangerous Weapon
Disorderly and Disruptive Conduct in a Restricted Building or Grounds with a Deadly or Dangerous Weapon
Engaging in Physical Violence in a Restricted Building or Grounds with a Deadly or Dangerous Weapon
Disorderly Conduct in Capitol Building
Act of Physical Violence in the Capitol Grounds or Buildings
Parading, Demonstrating, or Picketing in a Capitol Building
And here I thought this entire topic was about a three year old, taking a video. Dang. Instead it's about how some misinterpreted the genuine upheaval on January 6 and the violators who were charged .
And here I thought this entire topic was about a three year old, taking a video. Dang. Instead it's about how some misinterpreted the genuine upheaval on January 6 and the violators who were charged .
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Originally Posted by kdog
You must not have read what I said, so here it is again.
You can call it whatever you want, but not one of those arrested have it as their only charge.
Just where did I say it was the only charge? Stop putting words in my mouth.
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Like this fine fellow:
BALLARD, Thomas John Assaulting, Resisting or Impeding Certain Officers Using a Dangerous Weapon
Civil Disorder
Entering and Remaining in a Restricted Building or Grounds with a Deadly or Dangerous Weapon
Disorderly and Disruptive Conduct in a Restricted Building or Grounds with a Deadly or Dangerous Weapon
Engaging in Physical Violence in a Restricted Building or Grounds with a Deadly or Dangerous Weapon
Disorderly Conduct in Capitol Building
Act of Physical Violence in the Capitol Grounds or Buildings
Parading, Demonstrating, or Picketing in a Capitol Building
And many did not commit physical violence. Much like this one: https://www.justice.gov/usao-dc/defe...esteros-robert
"Knowingly entering and remaining on restricted grounds without lawful authority and/or engaging in disorderly conduct within proximity to a restricted building to impede official functions"
This guy seemed to have followed others into the building. It doesn't appear that he had been violent in any way. He seemed to have just been taking video.
"Unlawful Entry on Restricted Building or Grounds; Unlawful Entry on Restricted Building or Grounds; Violent entry and disorderly conduct on Capitol Grounds; Parading, Demonstrating or Picketing in a Capitol Building"
I assume they mean that simply entering is considered a "violent entry", since it appears he had no run ins with the CP upon entering, in fact it seems there were hardly any CP at the entry point.
As for the "disorderly conduct" again, it's probably just because he was there. Though, he did yell a little bit while there. He also yelled at a person who'd thrown a fire extinguisher, yelling at the person to "don't do that", etc. He and a few others later used their bodies to shield the CP as another group was passing
And as far as "parading" and "picketing"..
That's just an extra that they seemed to have thrown in there, because, it seems to be a fact that those on the right are not allowed to protest. If it had been blm antifa or democrats in general then the only ones who might have been swept up would have been those who were actually violent. The rest would have been let go, likely at the urging of our affirmative action VP. Even those on the left who had violently protested at the Kavanaugh hearings didn't seem to suffer much fallout. Seems a few were arrested but it's hard to tell if they'd been charged or found guilty of their violent behavior. It also seems that Warren was not held responsible for inciting them to become violent.
Anyway, there seems to be 'quite a few' that were like the two I'd mentioned. These people do seem to go against your narrative.
FWIW, here is a list of everyone so far charged in the 1/6 riots
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This table includes the names, charges, and links to court documents of all the people charged so far. We're keeping it updated as more names are released.
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