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Old 12-30-2021, 07:09 AM
 
Location: New York Area
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Originally Posted by bluesjuke View Post
Why the obvious and apparent, as well as known lie?

We all know Trump encouraged getting the vaccine.
That's in addition to him helping to get it out sooner and taking it and the booster himself.
If it weren't for Trump the vaccine designs would be sitting on some bureaucrat's desk for another two-three years.
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Old 12-30-2021, 07:14 AM
 
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Get the vax. Don't get it. Who cares if someone else dies from their own choices? Hospitals should close their doors to the unvaxed and people should have to face the consequences for their own decisions. I'm so tired of hearing about snowflakes begging for the vax in the emergency room after all this time denying it. Man up and accept the results of your actions and stop overwhelming hospitals and staff.

We all had notice to get in the lifeboats. If the Titanic goes down, go down with it. Let's move on to other issues and let stupid deal with stupid. They have wasted enough of the rest of our time and energy.

There's no room in the ER's for the unvaxed. They are clogged with the vaxed demanding tests when they have no symptoms. How's that shoe feel now that it's on the other foot?
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Old 12-30-2021, 07:16 AM
 
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There's no room in the ER's for the unvaxed. They are clogged with the vaxed demanding tests when they have no symptoms. How's that shoe feel now that it's on the other foot?
That is totally false and you know it.

Conservative pundit sites creating stories to feed their followers who eat it up like candy.

If you show up at an ER and say -- I want a Covid test because I have sniffles...they don't rush you to an ICU bed. That's not how medicine works.

If you doubt that -- try it.
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Old 12-30-2021, 07:19 AM
 
Location: Wisconsin
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So a year ago we were saying kids don't get COVID -- welll -- as late as the spring -- kids aren't a concern.

Positive cases in kids is up 50% since three weeks ago.....so when do we start to get concerned about kids being hospitalized -- we wait to see if it increases to 50%?

I don't know -- I think part of the problem is the dynamics of this virus.

A year ago most people weren't overly concerned about kids getting sick...it seems now there seems to be a measured concern that this has changed.

I'm not living in fear, paranoid....but I get why some parents would have concerns and why some people get a little worried when their kid gets the sniffles.
But keep reading, it seems that children still have an easier time with this virus than do adults:

Omicron Is Not More Severe for Children, Despite Rising Hospitalizations

Several states have reported increases of about 50% in pediatric admissions for COVID-19 in December. New York City has experienced the most dramatic rise, with 68 children hospitalized last week, a fourfold jump from two weeks earlier.

“I think the important story to tell here is that severity is way down and the risk for significant severe disease seems to be lower,” said Dr. David Rubin, a researcher at Children’s Hospital of Philadelphia.

Infected children remain far less likely to become ill compared with adults. But across the country last week, an average of 1,200 children each day have been hospitalized with the coronavirus, up from 800 at the end of November, according to the Department of Health and Human Services. (Some of those children arrived at the hospital with other medical issues.)


That last sentence is important to keep in mind any time we read a story which says people are hospitalized with COVID. Some lazy reporters do not bother to dig and find out if people reported to a hospital for health issues unrelated to COVID and they simply tested positive during the hospital's routine admission process.

Omicron is more transmissible, so of course an increase positive spikes in testing is to be expected. But so far this variant is mild, and most people are asymptomatic or have cold-like symptoms. I'm hoping this trend continues and the next variant is even more mild.
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Old 12-30-2021, 07:21 AM
 
Location: New York Area
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But keep reading, it seems that children still have an easier time with this virus than do adults:

Omicron Is Not More Severe for Children, Despite Rising Hospitalizations

Several states have reported increases of about 50% in pediatric admissions for COVID-19 in December. New York City has experienced the most dramatic rise, with 68 children hospitalized last week, a fourfold jump from two weeks earlier.

“I think the important story to tell here is that severity is way down and the risk for significant severe disease seems to be lower,” said Dr. David Rubin, a researcher at Children’s Hospital of Philadelphia.

Infected children remain far less likely to become ill compared with adults. But across the country last week, an average of 1,200 children each day have been hospitalized with the coronavirus, up from 800 at the end of November, according to the Department of Health and Human Services. (Some of those children arrived at the hospital with other medical issues.)


That last sentence is important to keep in mind any time we read a story which says people are hospitalized with COVID. Some lazy reporters do not bother to dig and find out if people reported to a hospital for health issues unrelated to COVID and they simply tested positive during the hospital's routine admission process.
Also, I suspect (I admittedly have no support for this) that some single working mothers are in a rush to hospitalize mildly ill children so they can go to work and don't have to isolate. Just an "out-of-the-box" thought.
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Old 12-30-2021, 07:24 AM
 
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Then why all the anger from right wingers when he stated he was vaccinated?
There are quite a few that are most angry of being forced to vaccinate and that do not trust what we are being told.

However, that has nothing to do whatsoever with your claim about Trump.
You just flat out lied.
Yes, you lied.
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Old 12-30-2021, 07:24 AM
 
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Omicron is more or less a sore throat and the sniffles. Many don't even get a fever with it. That is the reality.

Yet, we are supposed to turn our lives upside down and inside out over the risk of dying from a cold. It's beyond ridiculous.

If you want to have some real danger in your life, let this Covid hand wringing nonsense grind the supply chain to a complete halt.
So true. We really should jus let it rip, allow people to gain antibodies from getting infected and move on with our lives. Instead politicians talk about more boosters and they implement mask mandates. Omicron is so mild. Why do the authorities want us to hide from it?
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Old 12-30-2021, 07:29 AM
 
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So true. We really should jus let it rip, allow people to gain antibodies from getting infected and move on with our lives. Instead politicians talk about more boosters and they implement mask mandates. Omicron is so mild. Why do the authorities want us to hide from it?
There is no hiding from it. People with mild colds are not going to quarantine themselves for 10 days. They will be out living their lives like they have during every other cold/flu season.

Unless you are prepared to hunker down inside of your house and never see another human being again - you are going to get this virus. Thankfully it is not that bad! Really.
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Old 12-30-2021, 07:41 AM
 
Location: Wisconsin
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There's no room in the ER's for the unvaxed. They are clogged with the vaxed demanding tests when they have no symptoms. How's that shoe feel now that it's on the other foot?
These vaccines do not provide any immunity, nor do they prevent transmission of the virus, they never have. The only difference between vaxed, and unvaxed, is the vaxed person has a better chance of having milder symptoms after becoming infected. Just because you are vaccinated does not mean you successfully created antibodies.

There has not been any attempts to test significant portions of the population, to see if the vaccine and boosters were successful in creating COVID antibodies. We have no idea what percentage of people developed antibodies after being fully vaccinated. So where are those studies??

Fauci has known about this since June: Why COVID-19 Vaccines Might Have Failed For Tens of Millions of Americans And yet, nothing is being done about it. Just get jabbed, get boosted, and that's it.

According to a CNN report Friday, a 73-year-old woman who was taking a drug to treat inflamed lung blood vessels detected no antibodies against COVID-19 after receiving two doses of the Pfizer vaccine. “Her doctor had been reading recent medical studies suggesting the vaccine might not work well for some people taking medications like hers,” the report says.

That’s not a small group of people. According to a recent study by researchers at the University of Michigan, about 60 million Americans are taking immunosuppressants that could weaken the effect of vaccines.


I know people who have said they got the vaccine, because of their immune compromised conditions. But later, they became infected. Shouldn't we be testing people to see which groups are not developing antibodies, by testing them for the presence of antibodies two weeks after being vaccinated? Then shouldn't we be trying to find a way to discover a process whereby they can develop antibodies, or at least warn them that the vaccines were ineffective? And treat them as unvaxed?

Oh wait, you said "There's no room in the ER's for the unvaxed." So these people like 73 year old grandma above, should not be allowed in the ER. And there are also people whose doctors recommended they not be vaccinated, because they are too sick to risk getting the vaccine, are they also to be denied the ER? Maybe you might want to walk that one back, eh?

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Old 12-30-2021, 07:47 AM
 
Location: Wisconsin
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There is no hiding from it. People with mild colds are not going to quarantine themselves for 10 days. They will be out living their lives like they have during every other cold/flu season.

Unless you are prepared to hunker down inside of your house and never see another human being again - you are going to get this virus. Thankfully it is not that bad! Really.
Which is why vaxed people can be the ones spreading the virus. They don't feel sick enough to warrant them staying home, so they mingle out in public. The unvaxed tend to suffer more pronounced symptoms, which telegraphs to them that they need to stay home and seek medical care and testing. The vaxed will feel less sick, and go to work, or shopping, or ride public transit, etc...
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