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Old 12-28-2021, 08:23 PM
 
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But I’ve never seen a smoker or obese person argue with us or doctors about their treatment. Lots of unvaccinated patients not only won’t protect themselves & other ppl….but they think they have a medical license on how to treat covid, like the ppl who insist on receiving Ivermectin against science when they won’t get a vaccine. It makes no sense.

It is burning out hospital staff that this country is taking for granted IMO.
Me neither! The whole Fat-Acceptance movement was clearly in my head
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Old 12-28-2021, 08:56 PM
 
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The nurse is from Dayton, OH. Let's look at OH bed capacity (from Johns Hopkins Coronavirus Research Center)

Last year in Ohio on Dec 28,2020:

- total of 4,256 ICU beds
- 74% covid occupied
- 1,127 covid patients

As of this year Dec 27,2021:

- total of 3,899 ICU beds (where did 357 ICU beds go?)
- 79% covid occupied (if you found those lost 357 ICU beds it would be lower percentage. Still, not near capacity)
- 1,240 covid patients

On the Ohio weekly hospitalizations graph you can see a clear trend line: Since July 2021, when covid hospitalizations began surging up, the total number of ICU beds were going down!

Wow. When people are needing intensive care, ICU beds are going away! Gross mismanagement of staffing and facilities, or on purpose? IDK
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Old 12-28-2021, 09:17 PM
 
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The nurse is from Dayton, OH. Let's look at OH bed capacity (from Johns Hopkins Coronavirus Research Center)

Last year in Ohio on Dec 28,2020:

- total of 4,256 ICU beds
- 74% covid occupied
- 1,127 covid patients

As of this year Dec 27,2021:

- total of 3,899 ICU beds (where did 357 ICU beds go?)
- 79% covid occupied (if you found those lost 357 ICU beds it would be lower percentage. Still, not near capacity)
- 1,240 covid patients

On the Ohio weekly hospitalizations graph you can see a clear trend line: Since July 2021, when covid hospitalizations began surging up, the total number of ICU beds were going down!

Wow. When people are needing intensive care, ICU beds are going away! Gross mismanagement of staffing and facilities, or on purpose? IDK
It's been said over and over that hospitals like to keep close to capacity. I wrote a post about it (have done hospital facility design work). It's expensive to keep those systems operational if no one uses them. All the whining about ICU capacity is meaningless.
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Old 12-28-2021, 09:47 PM
 
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You're not a health insurance company.

The ER can't deny anyone of healthcare, regardless if you're 300 pounds and vaccinated.



They absolutely can. If they are understaffed and overloaded with patients, they have no choice. They have to have the beds to accommodate these people.
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Old 12-29-2021, 12:12 AM
 
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The nurse is from Dayton, OH. Let's look at OH bed capacity (from Johns Hopkins Coronavirus Research Center)

Last year in Ohio on Dec 28,2020:

- total of 4,256 ICU beds
- 74% covid occupied
- 1,127 covid patients

As of this year Dec 27,2021:

- total of 3,899 ICU beds (where did 357 ICU beds go?)
- 79% covid occupied (if you found those lost 357 ICU beds it would be lower percentage. Still, not near capacity)
- 1,240 covid patients

On the Ohio weekly hospitalizations graph you can see a clear trend line: Since July 2021, when covid hospitalizations began surging up, the total number of ICU beds were going down!

Wow. When people are needing intensive care, ICU beds are going away! Gross mismanagement of staffing and facilities, or on purpose? IDK
Wtf?

Where did you get that 79% of ICU beds are filled with Covid patients?! Do you know how to read a graph? The pinkish/orange color are those patients with Covid. This has been my point all along. Hospitals in general, are not close to being overrun with Covid patients. This has been a false narrative for quite some time. Ohio might be a little higher than the norm, but the graph clearly shows that less than 1/3 (33%) are occupied by Covid patients. And if you look at in-patient check-ins, it's less than 1 in 7. I'm amazed how so many of these threads go on for pages and people just accept this hogwash without looking at the actual numbers. I pointed this out quite some time ago and people just keep ignoring the data.

ICUs are NOT overrun with Covid patients. ICU (pre-covid) were typically run at 65% capacity (clearly all non-covid) patients. As ICUs get near 100%, it is the extra 1/3 that tend to get filled up with Covid patients. It has been a capacity issue from the start as there are only 3 ICU beds for every 10,000 people. This isn't rocket science folks. And it's one of the reasons I have never lost my mind when the media and posters like the OP act like Henny Penny.

There are a myriad of posters here that push false narratives. And when you point it out (like the guy in this commercial), this group ignores it and continue on with their disingenuous claims.

https://youtu.be/VRrMu7B1L2I

My question to those that get angry at threads like these is why don't you call out dishonesty from the start of the thread? Instead you accept it and than go on for pages arguing about it. That makes no sense whatsoever.

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Old 12-29-2021, 12:47 AM
 
Location: Georgia, USA
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How about going after the people who thought that ventilators were a good idea?
The initial use of ventilators was because pre-covid people with oxygen levels seen in covid patients needed them. It took a while to figure out that covid patients just needed oxygen, not assisted ventilation.



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Doctors kill about a quarter million people per year due to human error
Nope. That number is based on a horrible paper that extrapolated from a tiny number of deaths.

https://scienceblogs.com/insolence/2...year-in-the-us
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Old 12-29-2021, 03:19 AM
 
Location: Morrison, CO
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Me neither! The whole Fat-Acceptance movement was clearly in my head
Being obese and a Pot smoker is totally acceptable in the U.S. My body, my choice, right?
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Old 12-29-2021, 03:25 AM
 
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First we need to deal with the smokers and obese.
Then we can move onto the unvaccinated.
Thanks for demonstrating what our problem is. Obesity and smoking are not contagious. It`s been 2 years now and there really isn`t an excuse for not knowing what the words contagious and asymptomatic mean.
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Old 12-29-2021, 03:28 AM
 
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When I see "hospitals are making money" posts I don`t know whether to laugh or cry at such idiocy. Can I buy hospital stocks from a broker?
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Old 12-29-2021, 03:36 AM
 
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Why do anti-vaxxers, who don't believe in doctors or medical science, flock to the doctors and medical science when they get sick? They are expecting the very people they have been calling frauds to suddenly heal them. Why do they trust them all of a sudden?

Stay home and eat your horse paste. Walk your talk. Don't go to the very institutions you refuse to take advice from to keep you from getting sick when you suddenly get sick, just as they have been futilely warning you for years now.

Hypocrites.
Lol it’s now estimated that 95% of all deaths from Covid could’ve been prevented with early at home treatment of therapeutics. Therapeutics that actually did work but due to political pressure or censored and those promoting it threatened. The stuff is starting to leak out little by little each day. Worn more doctors getting on board calling out the government and the media on this BS.

The protocol that your above post must truly support? Was to in fact sit home with Covid until you couldn’t breathe and then rushed to the hospital so you could die. Early treatment was refused by your own government. Front line doctors and others risked their careers to provide life saving early theraputics and treatment.

Hospitals have treated thousands with severe reaction up to including death from the vaccines.
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