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Old 12-28-2021, 11:33 AM
 
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There are celebrations going on across the country so there are some Black Americans who recognize the holiday…
What if I made up some Carribean culture and projected that on you?
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Old 12-28-2021, 11:35 AM
 
Location: Honolulu/DMV Area/NYC
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Black people did not come together to make Kwanzaa. The Feds made it up and chose Karenga to be the front man. Powerful people who control the media gave it national attention and tried to make it real even though it was never anything that black people actually did.
Do you have any evidence to support this? And saying that Karenga was an FBI informant is not evidence to support your contention.

In any event, assuming what you was true for the sake of argument, that is not the standard for whether something is a cultural tradition of or within a group of people.

And, yes, Kwanzaa is something that black people do. I have lived Kwanzaa and there are numerous celebrations/observations of Kwanzaa going on throughout the country, both within people's private homes and in the public sphere. If you mean that Kwanzaa is not a deep-rooted tradition, I'd agree. But, again, that doesn't make something not be a cultural tradition of a group.
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Old 12-28-2021, 11:35 AM
 
Location: North of Canada, but not the Arctic
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Advice to my fellow white people: never wish a black person "Happy Kwanzaa!" unless you know for sure that they are celebrating it. They could take it offensively. Kind of like if a black person asked you if you were going to the Klan rally tonight.
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Old 12-28-2021, 11:39 AM
 
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It's not a black holiday though. It's really got nothing to do with black people.



Black people never claimed it and don't know anything about it. The media was telling people that it was our culture.

I was taught Kwanzaa by my white teachers in school in the 90s. No one in my family or community understood Kwanzaa. It has nothing to do with black culture and history.

If it was our culture, we would know about it.
Everything you just said is wildly inaccurate.

You're clearly not interested in having a fact-based conversation LOL.
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Old 12-28-2021, 11:39 AM
 
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What if I made up some Carribean culture and projected that on you?
You are not from or of Caribbean origin. Further, I don’t celebrate everything that is part of Caribbean culture but that doesn’t mean those celebrations aren’t Caribbean.
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Old 12-28-2021, 11:40 AM
 
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But none of us speaks for the entire group in this case.
When you claim that "Kwanzaa is an African-American cultural tradition" you are speaking for a group. You are telling me that Kwanzaa is my culture. That isn't true. That's projection.

If you're part of a cult that observes some pagan holiday, that's YOUR culture. It's not the culture of black Americans.
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Old 12-28-2021, 11:42 AM
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And still....will NEVER be more popular than Cinco de Mayo.

Made popular by our alcohol producers more than anything else, tacos still go well with beer.
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Old 12-28-2021, 11:49 AM
 
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Advice to my fellow white people: never wish a black person "Happy Kwanzaa!" unless you know for sure that they are celebrating it. They could take it offensively. Kind of like if a black person asked you if you were going to the Klan rally tonight.
oooohhh that **** drives me crazy! Or just asking black people about Kwanzaa, expecting us to know something about it.

And the media has been telling people that Kwanzaa is our culture, so they don't know any better. That's the harm in projection.

Kwanzaa should be promoted as the cultural tradition of a specific cult group, like the Newaubians or the Nation of Islam - not of black people.
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Old 12-28-2021, 11:54 AM
 
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And still....will NEVER be more popular than Cinco de Mayo.

Made popular by our alcohol producers more than anything else, tacos still go well with beer.
Cinco de Mayo is not comparable to Kwanzaa. It's a real Mexican holiday that came about organically in Mexico and has historical significance. It was recently commercialized and popularized in the United States but it wasn't fabricated.

Kwanzaa was just made up.
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Old 12-28-2021, 11:54 AM
 
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It's simply not true. The holiday has nothing to do with black people. If it were, we would know something about it.

White liberals know more about Kwanzaa than black people do.
You really ought to speak for yourself. I have been around people celebrating Kwanzaa for about 50 years.

St. Patrick was Italian but no one mentions this on St. Patrick's Day. Tomatoes are from Brazil and pasta is from China but no one mentions this on Columbus Day. My question is why every year, some conservatives feel that the Christmas season is not complete until they drag their feet across Kwanzaa?

Next up is Black History Month. Wait 'til the conservatives get their mouths on that!
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