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Old 12-28-2021, 12:06 PM
 
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Natural disasters happen every year. Are earthquakes, volcanoes and tsunamis related to the climate and something that man can be expected to control?
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Old 12-28-2021, 12:29 PM
 
Location: Austin
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There's no way any sane, rational and logical human being can deny human-caused climate change after the many extreme weather events in 2021:
  • Extreme "rain bomb" KILLS New Yorkers in their basement flats
  • Extreme tornado KILLS Kentuckians in DECEMBER
  • Record drought all over the West
  • Record massive wildfires
  • British Columbia sets all time high record of 121 F. On that day it was hotter there than in Death Valley.
  • Texas deep freeze, due to massive heat dome over the North Pole that pushed cold air south, shuts down the power grid

The Year in Climate (good summary from ABC News)

How many more people have to die and how many more people have to lose their homes before we finally unite and agree that climate change is a very serious threat to all of us?
Another emotional outburst by someone who just feels that a scientific truth exists. You've proven you don't know anything about science. Your proof is all single year anecdotes. Science laughs at your single data point conclusions. You've looked at a single wave in the ocean and told us you know it's source. Climate is a little like that. Myriads of different wavelengths and amplitudes of fluctuation caused by many different sources. Sometimes the affects of one dampens the others while other times they stack up together to create large changes. Only one thing is certain and that is that there is NO single root cause for the world's climate. It seems like you only know about AGW as a source of climate change and so of course that's all you see. There's no way you can look at a single year of anecdotal evidence and tell us how many short, medium, long and geologic term stimulii are at the root of that one wave you're looking at in the ocean. Dumb post.

Oh and even dumber was citing abcnews as a source. Derp.
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Old 12-28-2021, 12:34 PM
 
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Originally Posted by Elliott_CA View Post
There's no way any sane, rational and logical human being can deny human-caused climate change after the many extreme weather events in 2021:
  • Extreme "rain bomb" KILLS New Yorkers in their basement flats
  • Extreme tornado KILLS Kentuckians in DECEMBER
  • Record drought all over the West
  • Record massive wildfires
  • British Columbia sets all time high record of 121 F. On that day it was hotter there than in Death Valley.
  • Texas deep freeze, due to massive heat dome over the North Pole that pushed cold air south, shuts down the power grid

The Year in Climate (good summary from ABC News)

How many more people have to die and how many more people have to lose their homes before we finally unite and agree that climate change is a very serious threat to all of us?

So, you do know there's a difference between climate change and weather, right? Also - just to be clear - just about everyone acknowledges climate change. It's been going on for billions of years. There's also no question that living beings (animals, etc.), including humans, impact climate change. Now we get to the meat of the matter - something climate alarmists won't address because they have no answer. Is there anything viable we can do that will have a meaningful impact on climate change (for the better)? The answer is probably no. Endless "climate summits" and whine-a-thons aren't going to do a damn thing, nor are stupid programs which allow people to buy carbon credits. Propose a real solution or stop whining about it.
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Old 12-28-2021, 12:42 PM
 
Location: Free From The Oppressive State
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Originally Posted by Elliott_CA View Post
There's no way any sane, rational and logical human being can deny human-caused climate change after the many extreme weather events in 2021:
  • Extreme "rain bomb" KILLS New Yorkers in their basement flats
  • Extreme tornado KILLS Kentuckians in DECEMBER
  • Record drought all over the West
  • Record massive wildfires
  • British Columbia sets all time high record of 121 F. On that day it was hotter there than in Death Valley.
  • Texas deep freeze, due to massive heat dome over the North Pole that pushed cold air south, shuts down the power grid

The Year in Climate (good summary from ABC News)

How many more people have to die and how many more people have to lose their homes before we finally unite and agree that climate change is a very serious threat to all of us?
Pure nonsense. The climate always changes. Where was our "ice age" we were promised from the 70s?
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Old 12-28-2021, 12:53 PM
 
Location: Berwick, Penna.
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I have a simple question to the OP, and Ms. Thunberg. and all the one-worlders who cheer them on:

Is there any part of their well-planned agenda that will NOT create an enormously expanded global environmental bureaucracy -- well paid positions for "environmental plutocrats", for which only those of us in the First World are expected to pay, while the most recent. and stmost abusive polluters are excused?

I grew up, and still reside in Northeastern Pennsylvania, where the land was scarred by strip-mining, and the streams sometimes ran a bright red from mine drainage, In the last fifty years, (for all of which I've been around) the worst of that damage has been undone, but at a reasonable pace, at at a price a post-industrial society can afford. (And there is still plenty to be done).

Now I'm expected to help clean up somebody else's mess, even as the worst of the polluters, who operate under regimes where basic human rights are not respected, add to it?

What has been accomplished in the First World might be repeated someday. but the solutions must be, at least in part, market-driven; those who expect to fund thier dreams through further burdens on those nations which have already displayed responsible conduct will be whipping a dead horse.

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Pure nonsense. The climate always changes. Where was our "ice age" we were promised from the 70s?
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We avoided that nuclear war.
A little research would show that the drum-beating over a "coming Ice Age" peaked in the early-to-mid-1960s.

Twenty years later, many of the same strident voices were raising the scare of "nuclear winter" in an attempt to derail the defense build-up that helped bring a (bloodless!) end to one of the foulest dictatorships in history.

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Old 12-28-2021, 01:01 PM
 
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Pure nonsense. The climate always changes. Where was our "ice age" we were promised from the 70s?
We avoided that nuclear war.
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Old 12-28-2021, 01:06 PM
 
Location: MD's Eastern Shore
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We're all GONNNNA DIEEEEEEEEEEEE!!!

You do realize that tornadoes, hurricanes, floods, earthquakes, sea level, droughts, etc. have been happening since the beginning of time.

More hurricanes, tornadoes, etc.??? "OH MY GOD! Climate change. We're doomed"!!!!! Been going on for all time. In the past a major tornado in the middle of the US or a category 4 hurricane in the middle of the Atlantic would have probably gone unnoticed. Now we have satellites that can pick up any tornado or hurricane ANYWHERE. There are no more now then before. There are just more that are seen.

My town was forever changed (at least until the next storm) for the better because of a hurricane in 1933. Most other barrier islands up and down the coast have been modified many times over the years due to hurricanes. A few of the major ones havent been altered since major storms in the 1800's. Others have been changed fairly recently. IOW, major hurricanes aren't anything new.

In my state there are cliffs along the shore of the Chesapeake bay which have plenty of fossilized sharks teeth in them. Gee, how did they get there unless the sea was higher at one time?

There are ancient ruins under water in places! And have been there for a long time. How did they get to be there unless the sea was at one time lower then rose-----before the first engine was even dreamed about?

Our oceans and coastline has been changing forever and will continue to do so and not one EV, ugly windmill, fugly solar farm or any bannimg of these evil ICE engines are going to do a damn thing to change it.

Mother nature is much more powerful then us. When she changes her mind, she changes her mind and there is no stopping her. Just like a woman!
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Old 12-28-2021, 01:06 PM
 
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Originally Posted by Elliott_CA View Post
There's no way any sane, rational and logical human being can deny human-caused climate change after the many extreme weather events in 2021:
  • Extreme "rain bomb" KILLS New Yorkers in their basement flats
  • Extreme tornado KILLS Kentuckians in DECEMBER
  • Record drought all over the West
  • Record massive wildfires
  • British Columbia sets all time high record of 121 F. On that day it was hotter there than in Death Valley.
  • Texas deep freeze, due to massive heat dome over the North Pole that pushed cold air south, shuts down the power grid

The Year in Climate (good summary from ABC News)

How many more people have to die and how many more people have to lose their homes before we finally unite and agree that climate change is a very serious threat to all of us?
Well I would say what I think, but I would get kicked off here. Manmade climate change has been proven to be a lie.
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Old 12-28-2021, 01:07 PM
 
Location: Knoxville, TN
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It's almost as if the op has stock in 'Green' Technology, which in large, is a scam.

https://www.city-data.com/forum/auto...ales-down.html

https://www.city-data.com/forum/poli...ers-human.html

https://www.city-data.com/forum/weat...heat-wave.html

https://www.city-data.com/forum/poli...le-37-all.html

Hey op, real climatology doesn't work on a set in stone consensus, only politicized climate science does that. It's not like all scientists around the world get together and say: Welp, time to go home, guess that's settled. This only happens when they're in the pocket of someone with a very specific agenda.

How many times has the so-called 'consensus', been wrong?

Real climatology, is constantly questioning the results and the data, especially on something as tentative as the climate.
Wait, you mean the earth isn't flat?
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Old 12-28-2021, 01:07 PM
 
Location: western East Roman Empire
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2021: The Year That Proved That ...
... humans have learned more ways to count things, impress themselves, and scare themselves hysterical.



https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=opL8...=YouTubeMovies

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The state of Kansas was an ocean at one time, too.
In my local science museum, we have the fossilized skeleton of a fish that lived in it, about 80,000 years ago, if I remember correctly.

I wish these hysterical hurricane counters would follow the science calmly.
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