Single Payer Reality (dictators, voted, agents, security)
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I have absolutely no difficulty renewing my registration. I don't even go to the DMV to do it. I just go onto NY DMV's website and do the renewal using a credit card. Only time I've had to go to DMV in the last 7 years, ever since I started using their website, is to renew my license, even though I only get the standard license, not the Enhanced or Real ID license.
And with UHC there is no bureaucracy, like the "in network, out of network" hassle, because there would be no network to start with.
With UHC there would be no network to begin with because there would be no providers, because the Feds would some how screw that up too.
Written by someone who has no idea how people at the lower end of the socioeconomic scale get by.
Did you read the next piece of the article about the woman with ovarian cancer who was laid off by her employer immediately after being diagnosed? She let herself die because she couldn't pay the medical or insurance bills. That should not happen.
With an ACA policy, premiums plus out of pocket can be $10,000 per year. Do you think someone making $15 an hour can easily save up even a year's worth of costs, much less multiple years?
US funding of healthcare is broken beyond belief. If you lose your job, you lose your insurance, and can't get equivalent coverage on the market at a reasonable price. If you can't afford insurance, you go without care, or have to endure county hospitals. There has to be a better way.
Also, if the employer offers insurance that meets the minimum value standard (the insurance pays for at least 60% of the total allowed cost of benefits and the lowest cost self-only plan offered by the employer costs 9.5% or less than the total household income), the employee is REQUIRED to accept that insurance rather than try to get subsidized insurance through the ACA.
Prove that UHC works at the state level. Then we'll talk. Maybe NYS and California should establish and operate their own UHC systems. They sure as hell collect enough taxes to do it.
Until then, it is off the table. You want the same morons that can't even waste money properly in charge of your healthcare with no other choice?
Which brings me back to: The federal government screws up everything it touches. It needs to get out of 90% of the things it's involved in.
I think the UHC (which has resulted in near-universal coverage) law in Massachusetts has been a success. They somehow figured out how to increase coverage and still have in place a safety net program for those that remain uninsured (lowest uninsured population in the country)
All of this while becoming the Life Science/Biotech center of the world along with arguably the best collection of hospitals you can find anywhere. The MA UHC reform "Romneycare" was used as a model for the Netherlands when they reformed their system. Is it perfect? No, it will always remain a work in progress, but it's hard to argue that anyone is in want of any type of care in Mass.
Finally, UHC does not always mean Single Payer. Single Payer is actually one of the least used forms of UHC around the globe. You can have a true public-private partnership like basically everywhere else in the developed world.
I have posted, as have others, BruSan I believe, that the US should look at ALL the different systems and see what fits them best.
I don't think I've seen it stated that the US should follow the Canadian system.
This thread was started to try and paint all UHC the same by holding up Canada as an example. The the Japan thing happened !
So just that we are clear. Me, or others defending or correcting the misinformation made here by some Americans, does not mean that we are saying the US should copy Canada, but at least start from a place of accuracy when talking about our system and others so Americans can make informed choices. So far, at least on CD, it appears many aren't able to.
I am!
And point well taken. Either way, my point stands, while not directed at any comment you personally made.
I think the UHC (which has resulted in near-universal coverage) law in Massachusetts has been a success. They somehow figured out how to increase coverage and still have in place a safety net program for those that remain uninsured (lowest uninsured population in the country)
All of this while becoming the Life Science/Biotech center of the world along with arguably the best collection of hospitals you can find anywhere. The MA UHC reform "Romneycare" was used as a model for the Netherlands when they reformed their system. Is it perfect? No, it will always remain a work in progress, but it's hard to argue that anyone is in want of any type of care in Mass.
Finally, UHC does not always mean Single Payer. Single Payer is actually one of the least used forms of UHC around the globe. You can have a true public-private partnership like basically everywhere else in the developed world.
I was waiting for someone to bring up Mass. That is the point: Leave it up to the states.
If provincial/territorial/state leadership can do it, and they have done it, then why elevate the issue upward? Is it the point of delegation to have any problem/program address at the lowest possible level with the appropriate competent people/institutions?
You are conveniently forgetting that everything the government touches, it screws up. Including healthcare.
Government is the answer to nothing, they're the problem.
That's funny, given the best trauma center in the Houston area is the big county hospital that's run by....the government. And the best cancer hospital in the country, MD Anderson, is run by the University of Texas, ie the government. I assume you never drive on a public road, your drains aren't connected to the public sewer system, etc. For that stuff, I'll take government run any day.
That's funny, given the best trauma center in the Houston area is the big county hospital that's run by....the government. And the best cancer hospital in the country, MD Anderson, is run by the University of Texas, ie the government. I assume you never drive on a public road, your drains aren't connected to the public sewer system, etc. For that stuff, I'll take government run any day.
I had to look that up, as I've not heard of MD Anderson. I would have thought Sloan-Kettering in NYC to be No. 1.
You are correct. SK is No. 2, according to this list.
My point was exactly what you said, that each path, government or corporate model, have advantages and disadvantages. Most likely the better model could be a hybrid, such as you pay X amount of tax for basic health insurance and if you want you can pay out of pocket for additional benefits. But the problem here is that the critics of the current US system are not interested in the hybrid model but to replace wholesale with the government model with wiping out the commercial health insurance option completely. When the offer is that extreme, do not be surprised if the response is equally extreme, and in this case, the American response is 'Socialism...!!!' and shutdown completely.
Let the American people do it at the state level. 'No...!!!' Screamed the critics. For them, it must be federal.
Totally agree - a hybrid mixture usually provides good results.
The French Healthcare system being a good example.
Some people prefernot to share. That's OK. That's their choice. To each their own.
It would not EVER be 100% voluntary. One hundred percent of people do not give a rat's ass about their fellow countrymen and never will. The programs our taxes already pay for are not 100% voluntary. Hell, paying taxes is not 100% voluntary.
I do think the basics should be available for everyone, and if you want more/better, you can decide and pay for it. Again, that's kind of like it is where I am atm (Canada), although I do not know all the details of how their system works. However, I was surprised when I first saw ads on TV for health insurance, since I knew they had provincial healthcare. You can upgrade and buy better insurance, as well as things like dental and vision that are not covered.
Medical treatment should not bankrupt people in a country as wealthy as ours.
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