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Old 01-02-2022, 08:13 AM
 
Location: Central NJ and PA
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No. Fake news and propaganda nonsense.
I have family in healthcare, in some of THE busiest hospitals ever, even before covid.
Nobody is stealing beds. Paranoid hypochondriacs are the true burden, according to my brother, at least as far as burdening the system. He is not a liar, nor a drama queen. Unlike me, but whatever. I believe anything he says. He’s a textbook straight shooter who loves his job.
Local nurse and friend of mine took to our community’s social media to plead with folks to do two things. Get vaccinated was second. What was first, you might ask? Stop going to the emergency department for cold-like symptoms and tests. She kept saying, “If your symptoms wouldn’t have made you come to the ED three years ago, for the love of God stay home now!”
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Old 01-02-2022, 08:23 AM
 
Location: Central NJ and PA
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Unvaccinated includes those who have the initial 'dose' of vaccine.

I guess they are the problem, too.

What number of booster shots makes someone 'not a problem' when seeking healthcare for illness? At what stage of vaccination should the shaming stop?
Never. The shaming will never, ever stop. It’s given too many people the (unacknowledged by themselves) joy of being “superior”. It’s the same reason we haven’t seen an end to the woke madness.
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Old 01-02-2022, 08:27 AM
 
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And many are not. Many have cancer, hereditary autoimmune diseases, etc that aren't their fault. At the end of the day I agree with the liberals on this unless the expectation is that everyone is going to exercise five times a week and eat a plant-based diet that all but cuts out things like meat, sugar, and alcohol that cause many negative health outcomes.

Not realistic so let's just do what it takes to extend healthcare universally. A lot of other Fed spending (military and social/discretionary - most things should be on the table) should be pared down to create an affordable healthcare system that works imo.
Be careful what you wish for. People in Europe sometimes have to wait weeks or months before they can even see a doctor or specialist and their treatment options are very limited to what is covered under universal healthcare. Remember when HMO's were supposed to reduce healthcare costs...?? How many HMO's are still in exitance today...?? Not many.

Healthcare costs are just too expensive across the board from prescription drugs, malpractice insurance for doctors, medical supplies and equipment costs, labor and facilities costs and many other associated overhead expenses. That is why healthcare is unaffordable in America.
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Old 01-02-2022, 08:30 AM
 
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In some hospitals yes. It’s a fact some have died not getting care for a different illness due to lack of a bed. I just had a painful reaction to some meds and went to the ER. I was given some pain meds gave blood etc. and they did do a Cat scan, then I was returned to the lobby. The entire time I was in the ERs waiting lobby. Never got a room or sat inside. They discharged me saying I might have had a kidney stone - need to see a neurologist. What can I say. No beds available.
Honestly, you didn't really need a bed for that and were treated as an outpatient.
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Old 01-02-2022, 10:24 AM
 
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Damn those people with health problems. Ever think that a lot of people enjoy being obese?

https://www.medicalnewstoday.com/articles/324872

True, they can nip it with early detection, but you don't know their circumstances. It's always their fault.
Our disguising tubby friends don't dislike it enough to do anything about it. They clearly enjoy fatty cakes and laziness more than they enjoy good health.

Outside of SUPER rare situations, becoming disgustingly obese is caused by a lack of self control.... it's a choice.
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Old 01-02-2022, 12:48 PM
 
Location: Niceville, FL
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Be careful what you wish for. People in Europe sometimes have to wait weeks or months before they can even see a doctor or specialist and their treatment options are very limited to what is covered under universal healthcare. Remember when HMO's were supposed to reduce healthcare costs...?? How many HMO's are still in exitance today...?? Not many.

Healthcare costs are just too expensive across the board from prescription drugs, malpractice insurance for doctors, medical supplies and equipment costs, labor and facilities costs and many other associated overhead expenses. That is why healthcare is unaffordable in America.
The last time I tried to get a dermatologist appointment on my local free market health care scene, the next available one was like six months out. So not that different than the Euro option, which would at least be way cheaper.
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Old 01-02-2022, 12:57 PM
 
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The last time I tried to get a dermatologist appointment on my local free market health care scene, the next available one was like six months out. So not that different than the Euro option, which would at least be way cheaper.
If the US government did it, it would cost 3x as much and the wait would be years, not months.
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Old 01-02-2022, 01:29 PM
 
Location: Niceville, FL
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If the US government did it, it would cost 3x as much and the wait would be years, not months.
And yet the folks who have Medicare often get far zippier and cost-effective health care than I get via the all mighty free market.
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Old 01-02-2022, 01:30 PM
 
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And yet the folks who have Medicare often get far zippy and cost-effective health care than I get via the all mighty free market.
Medicare has a massive pool of people, to the tune of 200 million or so, paying into it while getting absolutely nothing in return because they're not eligible for coverage. And an unlimited pool of funds to make up for any shortfall thanks to the bottomless money pit that is the federal government.

How many insurance plans do you know of that force you, under penalty of law, to pay premiums while being ineligible for coverage, and you can't change providers?

If the UHC proponents really want UHC so bad, they need to prove that it works by piloting it at the local and/or state level.
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Old 01-02-2022, 01:52 PM
 
Location: Retired in VT; previously MD & NJ
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Medicare has a massive pool of people, to the tune of 200 million or so, paying into it while getting absolutely nothing in return because they're not eligible for coverage. And an unlimited pool of funds to make up for any shortfall thanks to the bottomless money pit that is the federal government.

How many insurance plans do you know of that force you, under penalty of law, to pay premiums while being ineligible for coverage, and you can't change providers?

If the UHC proponents really want UHC so bad, they need to prove that it works by piloting it at the local and/or state level.
The major health insurance companies also have massive pools of people paying into them, and no over-65 year olds using any benefits from those pools of money. It's the over-65 crowd that uses most health benefits, not the young healthy families.
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