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Old 01-03-2022, 05:06 AM
 
Location: Texas
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Originally Posted by middle-aged mom View Post
I obey the law.

I have never been arrested, had a moving violation or even a parking ticket.

In the unlikely event, if I were to be arrested, making my booking photo available to the public would be devastating.

An arrest is not a conviction.

BTW, the legislation in Oregon passed with bipartisan support.
It's almost like you just typed something without researching it.


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Do you have anything to back up your assertion that it was a bipartisan bill? Legiscan refers to it as as "strong partisan bill" and the final vote in the Oregon Senate shows not a single Republican voted for this. Please refer to this link.


https://legiscan.com/OR/rollcall/HB3273/id/1095380
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Old 01-03-2022, 05:28 AM
 
Location: Tyler, TX
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Originally Posted by middle-aged mom View Post
I obey the law.

I have never been arrested, had a moving violation or even a parking ticket.

In the unlikely event, if I were to be arrested, making my booking photo available to the public would be devastating.

An arrest is not a conviction.

BTW, the legislation in Oregon passed with bipartisan support.
Hang on.

You directly acknowledged that an arrest isn't the same as a conviction.

But before that, you said having your photo published would be "devastating."

Please explain. That doesn't make sense.
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Old 01-03-2022, 05:30 AM
 
Location: Tyler, TX
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BTW, this law is 100% because of the journalism performed by Andy Ngo. The Oregon government is now under Antifa control.
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Old 01-03-2022, 05:32 AM
 
Location: Tyler, TX
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It's almost like you just typed something without researching it.
That poster is one of the most sincere, if not the most sincere, posters on this forum. I'm rather fond of her, for that reason.

But she's not all that well informed. It makes me sad.
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Old 01-03-2022, 05:53 AM
 
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Do you have anything to back up your assertion that it was a bipartisan bill? Legiscan refers to it as as "strong partisan bill" and the final vote in the Oregon Senate shows not a single Republican voted for this. Please refer to this link.


https://legiscan.com/OR/rollcall/HB3273/id/1095380
And in the Oregon House 17 out of 23 Republicans voted IN FAVOR the bill(4 voted against and 2 Absent).

https://legiscan.com/OR/rollcall/HB3273/id/1062268

This only requires the removal of the Mug Shot up until the time the person is convicted. If they are convicted then they can still be released.

One main issue is the "Pay for Removal" sites that grab and basically blackmail someone to remove a mugshot photo from their site from people that were only arrested but not convicted.

The bill however doesn't seem to go far enough. As it allows these sites to still charge up to $50 to have them remove a person's photo. If a person's mugshot shows up on several sites this could still be a few hundred dollars a person could end up paying.

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This new law also creates rules for those who operate publish-for-pay products. They must comply with requests for removal and destruction of mugshots within 30 days. The deadline is reduced to seven days if the person making the request was acquitted, pardoned or otherwise not prosecuted for the crime.

They can no longer have "conditions" for these photos to be removed and are limited to charging no more than a $50 fee.
A bill also allows people to sue these sites if they fail to remove the mugshots.
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Old 01-03-2022, 08:21 AM
 
Location: Atlanta
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These mug shot displays seem to contradict the theory of innocent until proven guilty.
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Old 01-03-2022, 10:26 AM
 
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I always thought it was wrong to go and paste people's photos and news stories in the paper for alleged crimes before they were convicted I support this law. It becomes basically guilty until proven innocent in the eyes of Joe public.
That's pretty much how I see it. And I see someone already brought up the scummy "Pay for Removal" sites.
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Old 01-03-2022, 10:33 AM
 
Location: The Piedmont of North Carolina
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Once something is online, it's out there forever. I don't like the idea of ANY public record being on the internet. Identity thieves use it to their advantage, especially home title theft. There's a big difference between looking up a public record online (which can be done by anyone, anywhere) and going to the records office and requesting a public record.

This new law doesn't prevent the news or newspapers from using mugshots. It's not as thought they're disappearing, altogether.

So, I actually agree with this.
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Old 01-03-2022, 01:11 PM
 
Location: Tyler, TX
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Once something is online, it's out there forever. I don't like the idea of ANY public record being on the internet. Identity thieves use it to their advantage, especially home title theft. There's a big difference between looking up a public record online (which can be done by anyone, anywhere) and going to the records office and requesting a public record.

This new law doesn't prevent the news or newspapers from using mugshots. It's not as thought they're disappearing, altogether.

So, I actually agree with this.
The internet is the new public square.

You're supporting censorship in the public square.

Tell me, where do you socialize, besides the internet? How does your socialization now compare to how you socialized pre-1990?

Still agree with it? I hope not.
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Old 01-03-2022, 02:17 PM
 
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I always thought it was wrong to go and paste people's photos and news stories in the paper for alleged crimes before they were convicted I support this law. It becomes basically guilty until proven innocent in the eyes of Joe public.
The only ones they post here are people who are on bond and did not show up for court.
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