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I felt that was the way it was for me, mainly because I was taught to take a test, not to actually retain knowledge or be productive in society. I do not want that for my students. I want to teach them not the way I was teacher by most teachers, but teached like I was taught by my favorite teachers. Guess what, my students love the way I teach and learn a lot from me. Not just the three R's or when Washington crossed the Delaware, but rather life.
And if you're out sick, it's on your employer, the school, to find someone else to take over your classes (the product the government sold on the schools' behalf). "We can't find enough teachers" is not an acceptable excuse to not deliver. If they can't adequately service the students, it's on the school to provide a suitable replacement, as Gov Ducey has done by paying for private schooling.
You don't dispute that it's not the taxpayer's problem the useless admins that run your school can't find enough people to adequately service their students, do you?
The union needs remote learning due to conditions for in-person learning being unsafe, inadequate testing as new Covid-19 new hospitalizations among children have been reaching record highs. But yet for this people want teacher's to be fired.
It is sickening how easily people can be turned into uncaring absolute mindless sheep.
while expecting door dash to bring them breakfast, lunch and dinner from their usual haunts.
That is true in a number of areas and fields. We are adding a lot of things to the plates of teachers and support staff. And not just things with the pandemic mind you. A lot of us are hitting our breaking points on our mental health. Threads like these, just add to it.
So, you are teacher, have not taught (in an actual class room) in 2 years, why or how are you hitting a breaking point?
But, please tell us what "we" are adding to the teachers and support staffs plate?
its almost as if software developer and school teacher are two completely different jobs.
The false equivalence I was pointing out was that where / how work is performed has something to do with how it should be compensated -- as opposed to whether requirements are met.
Or that the level of acclimatization we have to remote working in any given profession should be an input into compensation.
It's almost as if the desire to see an "agenda" in the union demands means we have to invent one, like working remotely (easier? in teaching, I rather suspect not) for the same (implicitly too much) pay.
I actually am very inclined to take union demands at face value in this particular case because remote work was never an issue before the pandemic and wouldn't plausibly be one afterwards. It's not easier to teach remotely, either. Whatever you think of teachers, or teachers unions, or the safety of teaching in the middle of a pandemic surge, it is safe to say that however misguided it may or may not be, they are serious about it being a safety concern.
This is the moment that the mayor and city council of Chicago should declare the CTU is disbanded and no longer in charge of the schools. The CTU has for the last many years told the parents that 'if you don't go along with us and vote for us and give us what ever we want we will shut down the schools'. Well, the parents have given them everything and guess what, they say 'we're going to shut down the schools anyway' . Chicago has it's priorities backwards, the mayor and council control the police but let the CTU control them. Time to put on their big boy pants and take charge.
Makes more sense to me that schools (on a town or district by district basis) would potentially close based of sheer number of absences at this point. My daughters high school has 98 students out on Monday - that doesn't include staff that called out sick so what exactly are kids doing in school on days where dozens of students are out and they are being taught by subs?
I think the real nut cases are those still whining about the left vs right crap. We are in CT (you know - one of those horrible blue hellholes you all keep complaining about) and as far as I am aware, there are no districts in CT that have closed or plan to at this point. Just because some areas are doing it doesn't mean they all are so stop painting everything with a broad brush.
This is the problem I see. Too many staff not in. AFAIK the magic number is 50% or more of staff out sick to close baring county board of health guidance.
Because there is this huge pool of thousands of qualified teachers out there just begging to teach inner city Chicago students at the ready to replace them?
Not enough do-gooders want to teach in hood and most of them will then head suburban schools or leave teaching entirely within three years. And it takes about that amount of time to get in the groove of good classroom management that lets you be a successful teacher.
Replacements are not the issue. An illegal strike is the issue. Work stoppage is the issue. Laziness is the issue. Unions have become extremely destructive and dysfunctional almost everywhere they've gone. Like many things, they started out on a good and worthy mission and corrupted into a worse-than-useless entity. I'd abolish ALL unions in our nation if I could. Just like I'd abolish at least half the agencies in the federal government who have mutated into corrupt self-perpetuating money sucking black holes.
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If they continue to do their jobs by showing up to work and teaching in person, they wouldn't get fired.
They are too lazy. They got spoiled, sitting around in their PJs.
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The teachers will stay home out of safety concerns while expecting service industry workers to provide for them.
It's not out of safety concerns. This plandemic is over.
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What about the misery of the children not learning? Evidently you don't care.
Ummm, you know there has been basically no in school learning for about 2 years, yes?
Imagine all those first responders, nurses, fire fighters, etc....getting fired.
Indeed. This overboard closure of almost everything has been extremely destructive to the mental health, emotional and academic development, and general welfare of kids. Lower IQs, more drug use, more depression, more suicides and attempts, slowed social development. Teachers have an obligation.
Yes, let's fire cops, firefighters, EMTs, nurses, doctors, soldiers, Marines, sailors, airmen, coasties, but by all means give the poor precious teachers a pass.
My mother taught for over 50 years, she started in a very rural one-room schoolhouse in the deep south. She eventually got her master's from The Ohio State U, I remember her walking through the picket line at the high school she closed out her career at. She had a very strong dislike of the unions. For good reason IMO.
The false equivalence I was pointing out was that where / how work is performed has something to do with how it should be compensated -- as opposed to whether requirements are met.
Or that the level of acclimatization we have to remote working in any given profession should be an input into compensation.
It's almost as if the desire to see an "agenda" in the union demands means we have to invent one, like working remotely (easier? in teaching, I rather suspect not) for the same (implicitly too much) pay.
I actually am very inclined to take union demands at face value in this particular case because remote work was never an issue before the pandemic and wouldn't plausibly be one afterwards. It's not easier to teach remotely, either. Whatever you think of teachers, or teachers unions, or the safety of teaching in the middle of a pandemic surge, it is safe to say that however misguided it may or may not be, they are serious about it being a safety concern.
The teachers are vaccinated. Severe illness and hospitalization are supposed to not happen. The kids don’t get much more than cold like symptoms. The kids suffered huge setbacks because of remote for two years. Parents have to monitor their kids at home. No, there’s no good reason for this.
Do those teachers stay home forever so they don’t get Covid? Do they go out to stores? Do they stay isolated because they’re so worried? I don’t think so. Our kids have suffered enough imo.
It’s always some lame excuse with Chicago teachers.
"But 88% of the Chicago Teachers Union's leadership and 73% of its members voted on Tuesday in favor of remote education."
sounds about right, in my experience about 90 percent of teachers are totally useless.
People like to say teachers are underpaid. Most teachers are useless and overpaid. And then 5-10 percent are really good and underpaid.
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