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Old 01-08-2022, 09:19 PM
 
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Obviously. But storing it, gathering it and transporting it is all within the technical grasp of well, anyone anytime. Don't you understand the difference between its simplicity and the complexity of acquiring a battery charge? How do you 'find' and carry battery charge in an emergency??? You are totally reliant on a high-tech rescue system, i.e. a specialized EV charge station or the aforementioned rescue truck that has the same requirements. I can rescue myself with a gas powered car.



Is it really?? Explain how it's easier for YOU to generate electricity? And don't tell me that you just plug into a wall socket as if that's some continuous reliable resource.



We are talking about the here and now. That aside, you will always have the issue of electric storage across periods of emergency induced blackouts. Gasoline is a fuel that is constant across periods of power outages. Texas suffered an ice storm that left many without power for weeks. I have a 7KW gas generator and I weathered that long power outage by tapping stores of gas in my cars as well as the fifty gallons that I keep in the garage. ... and I still had gas necessary to run my 4WD out into the country to rescue my 90 yr old mother stuck in her farmhouse. No thanks on the EV and total electric dependency.

Guess you've never heard of batteries and solar energy.
And gas goes stale after a couple of years, even with Stabil.
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Old 01-08-2022, 09:45 PM
 
Location: Unperson Everyman Land
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Tesla fUlly charged, 80 hours.

ICE fully fueled idling about 20 hours.

This thread really just face-planted hard right out of the gate.

An ICE doesn't need to be idled continuously to maintain a warm cabin and electrical power (radio, phone charger, etc.).

Most IC late model cars have a start/stop feature that will circulate warm engine coolant through the heater core while the engine is not running, and the batteries (typically two on newer vehicles) can maintain electrical power when the engine stops.

The auxiliary battery assures a restart even if the main battery is fully depleted.

In contrast, every minute an EV's radio, phone chargers, battery heaters and the heat pump (Tesla) are operating, they are pulling power from the batteries.


As for that 20 hour idle time IC vehicle, I'd like to know the specifics because a 3.5l Explorer will idle continuously for 33 hours.

https://www.autotrader.ca/newsfeatur...quarter%20tank.
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Old 01-09-2022, 12:08 AM
 
Location: Born + raised SF Bay; Tyler, TX now WNY
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An ICE doesn't need to be idled continuously to maintain a warm cabin and electrical power (radio, phone charger, etc.).

Most IC late model cars have a start/stop feature that will circulate warm engine coolant through the heater core while the engine is not running, and the batteries (typically two on newer vehicles) can maintain electrical power when the engine stops.

The auxiliary battery assures a restart even if the main battery is fully depleted.

In contrast, every minute an EV's radio, phone chargers, battery heaters and the heat pump (Tesla) are operating, they are pulling power from the batteries.


As for that 20 hour idle time IC vehicle, I'd like to know the specifics because a 3.5l Explorer will idle continuously for 33 hours.

https://www.autotrader.ca/newsfeatur...quarter%20tank.
Depends on fuel burn at idle and fuel tank size.

I went 20hr on over 3/4 of a tank (indicated) in below zero weather idling my van for heat once. That would have been more fuel had I needed to run the blower on a higher setting or if I’d been pulling power out of the sockets. And most definitely more burn if I had been running the ac to dehumidify. But I didn’t have anything like a scan gauge to pull data on idling fuel burn, so I have only rough math at around .6g/hr.

I’ll have to scroll through my UltraGauge and see what it says on my Civic tomorrow. It has a nominal 11.8g tank, but I run it effectively as a 10g tank as I don’t have the courage to test how conservative the “guess gauge” is, and I’ve never had a double-digit gallon fill at the pump. I’d wager it’s in the .3-.4gph range, which at 10g effective capacity gives it a potential idling time of 25-30h presuming a full tank.
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Old 01-09-2022, 12:10 AM
 
Location: Staten Island, NY
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Always keep a couple of blankets, water, and snacks in your car.
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