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Old 01-18-2022, 05:35 AM
 
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Anybody regardless of age that has the vaccinations and booster is much less likely to be hospitalized or die. Only about 30% of America is boosted so far which is why Omicron is now running wild and slowing everything (economy, schools, social events, etc.) back down leading to more hospitalization and death. Hopefully it will peak soon and decline fast...will it lead to other variants which will delay normalcy? That remains to be seen...



https://www.statesman.com/story/news...ed/6511901001/


https://www.npr.org/sections/health-...ms-precautions
I agree that most likely those were vaccinated and boostered once are more protected from serious COVID19 than the unvaccinated. But 4 Pfizer doses doesn't seem to be helping prevent a large number of people in Israel from actually getting COVID19.

https://www.bloomberg.com/news/artic...cron-infection
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Old 01-18-2022, 06:05 AM
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I wouldn't believe much out of Israel. Remember they were claiming they had a vaccine 6 months before anyone else did. Complete nonsense. I would look more closely what the UK and other northern EU countries are doing. They would be more on the up and up.
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Old 01-18-2022, 05:29 PM
 
Location: Lahaina, Hi.
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imagine being scared of something with a 98% survival rate.
One of my good friends was part of the 2%. He died after a horrible bout of Delta, fully vaxxed, and left behind a wife and 3 kids.

Imagine that.
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Old 01-19-2022, 04:16 PM
 
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Had covid, did not go to hospital, did not die. Not afraid of death as Ive lived thru several things I was not supposed to, but you do you.



imagine being scared of something with a 98% survival rate.
My wife and I had Covid early on. I was very sick for 8 days, she was hospitalized and nearly died. And took a year to recover. We have no fear, just common medical sense.
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Old 01-19-2022, 04:19 PM
 
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I wouldn't believe much out of Israel. Remember they were claiming they had a vaccine 6 months before anyone else did. Complete nonsense. I would look more closely what the UK and other northern EU countries are doing. They would be more on the up and up.
I never heard or read that, and would be amazed if you could produce a legitimate reference. Israel started early with the Pfizer, maybe that is what you are referring to.
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Old 01-19-2022, 04:21 PM
 
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Some new news on Pfizer booster protection, not yet peer reviewed from the UK:

https://media.nature.com/original/ma...22-00013-3.pdf
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Old 01-20-2022, 07:13 AM
 
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Listen to Israel itself:



https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=bnMMYJKZvnU&t=156s
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Old 01-20-2022, 09:20 AM
 
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Care to summarize? I'm not about to waste 38 minutes watching some BS YouTube video.

I've already posted the facts relevant to this thread. Israel has a similar infection rate as the US, but 1/3rd the death rate. Got anything to say relative to that?
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Old 01-21-2022, 10:22 PM
 
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It looks to me that the shot they are giving us for Covid, and I'm loathe to call it a vaccine now, is useless unless you have a compromised immune system.

I read where it is possible the shot itself is furthering the mutation of the virus. I don't know if this is true but it is an interesting hypothesis.

How do we know this genetic treatment doesn't ultimately ruin the body's immune system? Right now, we don't know.
The vaccine seems woefully weak against the omicron variant. We know more variants are coming, and we know today that with each variant the incubation period and severity is reduced.

It's not far-fetched to suggest that vaccines are interacting with the virus. It's not far-fetched to wonder how mRna vaccines effect us.

We join the best bet. Historically, vaccine has been the best bet. Has that changed enough that we should doubt history?
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Old 01-21-2022, 11:08 PM
 
Location: Wouldn't you like to know?
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..none of us (all vaccinated and boosted) have had covid and want to keep it that way while minimizing risk.

Sorry, but the vax does not prevent you from catching & passing covid, therefore your statement is a lie by definition.

Spare me the backpedaling x times more likely to be ________ crap, please.. thats all the lying liberal media/talking heads say now since the vax isnt really a vax in the traditional sense.
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