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Old 10-24-2022, 09:27 PM
 
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Project Veritas is not questionable.
Yes, it is unquestionable that they were ordered to pay $120,000 for violating wiretapping laws and fraudulent misrepresentation. https://www.reuters.com/legal/projec...rm-2022-09-23/

Loses defamation case against CNN: https://lawandcrime.com/lawsuit/proj...ion-crackdown/

Losing a different defamation case: https://protectdemocracy.org/update/...truth-project/

There are other legal cases going back many years. Veritas are a bunch of deceitful scumbags.

 
Old 10-24-2022, 09:34 PM
 
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Here is the study: https://jamanetwork.com/journals/jam...ama.2022.18590

Can you summarize the key points?
For those who want my takeaways from this study,

Most of the infections happened during the period of Omicron. Omicron is a far milder virus, resulting in 1:100-1:1000 the hospitalization rates as earlier variants. This makes the study's power too small. They did see improvements in the Ivermectin arm, but due to being underpowered, no result here could reach statistical significance. Basically, the study needed more power.

But there was a tendency of Ivermectin to improve clinical outcomes even though they were not statistically significant.

1. The hazard ratio (HR) for improvement in time to recovery was 1.07 (95% credible interval [CrI], 0.96-1.17

2. The most common serious adverse events were COVID-19 pneumonia (ivermectin [n = 5]; placebo [n = 7]) and venous thromboembolism (ivermectin [n = 1]; placebo [n = 5]).

Then there is this here sentence:

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The median time from symptom onset to receipt of study drug was 6 days (IQR, 4-8).
These patients were sick for 6 days before getting the treatments. 6 days is way too late, the virus is already done replicated, what's left is just viral debris and immune dysregulation.

Take note that recovery time requires 3 days of consecutive no symptoms, so for 12 days, that means on the 9th day of receiving the drug, they had no symptoms. For placebo this was 10 days.

If you go to eFigure 3 in the appendix, for those experiencing severe symptoms and got Ivermectin on day 1, HR 1.86 (1.10 to 3.36). This is subgroup analysis and don't put too much weight in it, but it's interesting. So, time to recovery was 86% longer on placebo vs active (IVM) in this case.

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Exclusion criteria included hospitalization, study drug use within 14 days, or known allergy or contraindication to study drug (Supplement 1). Vaccination was allowable, as were standard-of-care therapies for COVID-19.
What this sentence means, patients were excluded from the trial if they were hospitalized. So more severe cases of COVID19 would be excluded. On top of that, they were receiving other drugs (SOC) as well as Ivermectin or Placebo, which further complicates the analysis.

Which brings me to their other statistically significant finding:

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or the ordinal outcome at day 14, the difference in the amount of time spent feeling unwell with COVID-19 was estimated to be 0.49 days (95% CrI, 0.15-0.82 days) in favor of ivermectin.
So my conclusion, in Omicron, Ivermectin works very very little, mostly because Omicron is very very mild.

Also, I want to know what 'placebo' the trial participants got, they mention an 'matched' placebo, and then there is this endpoint:

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Adverse events were uncommon and similar in both groups (2.8% with ivermectin; 3.5% with placebo).
More people taking a placebo had adverse events. Weird.

They also did not get a sufficient dose of Ivermectin:

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Third, ivermectin was dosed by weight to achieve a goal dose of 400 μg/kg, but the maximum dose of ivermectin provided by the study was 35 mg.
Given the obesity, around 50% of the Ivermectin arm was under-dosed.
 
Old 10-24-2022, 11:28 PM
 
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Default Shocking….Ivermectin Doesn’t Work

Hard to believe Aaron Rodgers and Joe Rogan (among others) could be wrong.

- A team of scientists affiliated with Duke University found that ivermectin does not meaningful improve the recovery of people with mild to moderate Covid.
-“These findings do not support the use of ivermectin in patients with mild to moderate COVID-19,” they concluded.
-A previous study found that ivermectin does not lower the risk of hospitalization from Covid.
-The FDA has warned people against taking the tablets for anything other than their approved use.



https://www.cnbc.com/2022/10/24/iver...erm=ivermectin
 
Old 10-24-2022, 11:33 PM
 
Location: Auckland, New Zealand
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Hard to believe Aaron Rodgers and Joe Rogan (among others) could be wrong.

- A team of scientists affiliated with Duke University found that ivermectin does not meaningful improve the recovery of people with mild to moderate Covid.
-“These findings do not support the use of ivermectin in patients with mild to moderate COVID-19,” they concluded.
-A previous study found that ivermectin does not lower the risk of hospitalization from Covid.
-The FDA has warned people against taking the tablets for anything other than their approved use.



https://www.cnbc.com/2022/10/24/iver...erm=ivermectin
I question that warning from the FDA. Ivermectin is probably safer than aspirin. Why would the FDA be "warning" against its use? It won't do any harm. Or is that just some journalist misquoting what was actually said?
 
Old 10-25-2022, 12:03 AM
 
Location: Brackenwood
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Do we have to do this again?

Ivermectin for COVID-19: real-time meta analysis of 92 studies
 
Old 10-25-2022, 12:10 AM
 
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Originally Posted by WVNomad View Post
Hard to believe Aaron Rodgers and Joe Rogan (among others) could be wrong.

- A team of scientists affiliated with Duke University found that ivermectin does not meaningful improve the recovery of people with mild to moderate Covid.
-“These findings do not support the use of ivermectin in patients with mild to moderate COVID-19,” they concluded.
-A previous study found that ivermectin does not lower the risk of hospitalization from Covid.
-The FDA has warned people against taking the tablets for anything other than their approved use.



https://www.cnbc.com/2022/10/24/iver...erm=ivermectin

The Duke study referenced in that article was the a controlled study to demonstrate results.

It won't be the last... as there are other controlled studies in progress. It will be interesting to see if they all have similar results.
 
Old 10-25-2022, 12:13 AM
 
Location: Native of Any Beach/FL
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Worked for me, but not my son. Passed Sept 1, 2021
 
Old 10-25-2022, 12:35 AM
 
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Your link shows that there's no statistically significant impact of Ivermectin on Covid once you start looking at the underlying published studies (which only a portion are actually published). But the site itself makes such a claim even though the underlying studies demonstrate otherwise. A bit misleading for those who don't know any better or otherwise uneducated.

Higgins has an excellent chapter on the basis for a valid meta analysis: https://www.amazon.com/Cochrane-Hand...dp/1119536626/

If you actually review the published studies referenced on that site, once understanding meta analysis, you'll realize that there's no statistical significance when you look at the entire dataset.
 
Old 10-25-2022, 12:55 AM
 
Location: North of Canada, but not the Arctic
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The vaccine isn't so great either.
 
Old 10-25-2022, 04:33 AM
 
Location: Metro Detroit, Michigan
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Some people claim it works, and some claim it doesn't. At this point, people are going to believe what they want to believe and not much is going to change that. Thankfully, COVID is in the rear view now and hopefully people can move on.
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