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Old 01-15-2022, 03:00 AM
 
Location: On the Chesapeake
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Yes, it's just tragic that in 2020 almost 50% of their electricity came from alternate sources, isn't it? You might want to reconsider your narrative, and not rely on Fox News as your source.

https://www.reuters.com/article/germ...-idUKKBN28O1AH
That article doesn't say what you think it says past the headline.
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Old 01-15-2022, 04:59 AM
 
Location: East Lansing, MI
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...I consider those temps to be brutal and bitter cold...
Tell me you're not from the Midwest, without telling me you're not from the Midwest.
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Old 01-15-2022, 06:28 AM
 
Location: Madison, Alabama
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What do people in the South keep thermostats at? You must hate Michigan so much, and like to pretend you never lived there just because it "doesn't suit" your political ideology either. How bizarre.. Everyone I know that lives in northern locations has an alternate heat source, passive solar, wood pellets, or a wood stove- meaning they use wood from off their property that is sustainably cut. I always have my thermostat at 64-65F all winter along with most people I know, that is plenty warm. Energy prices go in cycles, right now with the global economy heating up, and energy companies being greedy as well as speculators- prices will not be going down in the very short-term horizon Around here we often invest in quality insulation and better construction materials that seem to be a very foreign concept in most of the South. Quality over quantity.
I'm not sure where you got that idea. I have around R-50 in my main attic (blown fiberglass plus blown cellulose), R-60 (two R-30 blankets) in a one-story addition, and R-19 for the flloor - plus my crawlspace is "encapsulated". Walls of the house are R-13. The house is well-constructed with Andersen double-pane windows. The attic is well ventilated. All that is pretty typical of homes in this area. It's obviously not as cold here as it is in New Hampshire, but it's not tropical either.
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Old 01-15-2022, 06:53 AM
 
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I'm not sure where you got that idea. I have around R-50 in my main attic (blown fiberglass plus blown cellulose), R-60 (two R-30 blankets) in a one-story addition, and R-19 for the flloor - plus my crawlspace is "encapsulated". Walls of the house are R-13. The house is well-constructed with Andersen double-pane windows. The attic is well ventilated. All that is pretty typical of homes in this area. It's obviously not as cold here as it is in New Hampshire, but it's not tropical either.
Insulation requirements will be higher in the north but regardless you insulate in the south too.

Insulation works for both heating and cooling.

Fun fact; that pink stuff and blown in has an expiration date. The pink stuff in the walls about 30 years. Blown in in walls tends to pack down. In attics same thing.
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Old 01-15-2022, 07:00 AM
 
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Are you thinking of geothermal? I replaced my entire HVAC system with a two stage Goodman heat pump (inside and outside units) for around $8K in 2020. Not sure where you're getting $100K from...
Yes, geothermal heat pumps. Over $100k to drill and install heating and cooling systems.

With the cost of electricity here, and the cold winters, I'm not sure an air heat pump is worth it
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Old 01-15-2022, 07:25 AM
 
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Granite probably talking bout a normal heat pump. That’s electricity until it freezes then switches over to a gas furnace inside.
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Old 01-15-2022, 08:01 AM
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Granite probably talking bout a normal heat pump. That’s electricity until it freezes then switches over to a gas furnace inside.
Normally heatpumps switch over to an auxiliary electric heat coil system inside unit air handler. In short it's a electric furnace. The unit will engage when the heat pump can't produce heat on its own.
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Old 01-15-2022, 08:06 AM
 
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Yes, lots of absurd waste from the oil and gas companies that conservatives never like to address because follow the money trail...
*cough* they're not dumb enough to put all their eggs in just the republican basket.

https://electrek.co/2020/10/19/chevr...ons-democrats/
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Old 01-15-2022, 08:26 AM
 
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There has been a BRUTAL increase in natural gas prices this week in the energy market, seems to be well outside the typical norm and smells like excessive speculation on the part of traders.

What's your source on that? All I see is a slight uptick brought about by the winter storm Izzy, which is normal. Natural gas was trading much higher as recently as October.


https://quotes.ino.com/charting/?s=NYMEX_NG.G22
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Old 01-15-2022, 08:33 AM
 
Location: New Jersey
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We have oil heat. It's already expensive and it has been cold early this year. Today is in the single digits. The electric bill goes up too because of space heaters and the furnace uses a blower that uses electricity. We don't have access to a natural gas line, so it's either this or electric heat, which is just like burning money.
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