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Old 01-17-2022, 05:35 AM
 
Location: Texas
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What the heck? This misconception crops up on here quite frequently! The most successful attorney I know (a family friend) studied psychology (B.A.) at a UC campus (California) and attended Harvard Law School. Has a wildly successful side business in addition to a legal career.

Attorneys I worked with for over 30 years majored in English, Psychology, Sociology, and other liberal arts studies. A college degree of any kind still opens doors to advanced degrees and lucrative careers. I saw a post on here about not majoring in accounting, yet the same was soundly refuted just several weeks ago in a previous thread.
Your post, like others, actually think 1 data point is an intelligent comment? LMAO You get a Liberal Arts degree too? We know for a fact that people with Liberal Arts degrees are under employed. Oh but look over here at this one single solitary person.

This is how you run things -
"A major factor in the success of the Finnish school system, for example, is largely ignored by the American Left: Half of Finland’s students opt for vocational schools, meaning that Finnish education focuses more on job skills than on general education. That’s why 14 percent of degrees earned in Finland are in STEM fields and 18 percent are in the liberal arts, as compared with 8 percent in STEM and 38 percent in the liberal arts in the United States."

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Old 01-17-2022, 05:45 AM
 
Location: Native of Any Beach/FL
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You see whose complaining about women reaching higher goals. The same ones - want women to make babies at all costs (no turning back) and be subjective to them. These are the same ones won’t give women equal pay. They fight and ridicule most female politicians unless they are gun totters and mimic their baseless claims. Yes, whiney Republican men. They find any way they can to ridicule and discredit women.
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Old 01-17-2022, 05:49 AM
 
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Alot of women end up getting degrees to work in fields with high government subsidies like medicine, non-profits, academia.

As more women become the breadwinners, that will mean staying at home will to raise the children will never be an option. Daycare prices will also skyrocket because of the increased need for babysitting over the next decade.

I would not be surprised if some fields with high numbers of female college graduates become saturated and pay less while daycare costs skyrocket.

Basically, there will be a situation is this academia obsessed country where women will have to work more and there will be much, much more daycare needed also which means scarcity and skyrocketing prices for daycare.

https://nscresearchcenter.org/wp-con..._Fall_2021.pdf
I’d argue it’s easier for a man to have a good paying job without college, considering traditionally male professions (trades, etc.). Women with no college tend to do clerical, lower paying work. I don’t know many that became electricians or plumbers.
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Old 01-17-2022, 06:11 AM
 
Location: Central CT, sometimes FL and NH.
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Outside of specialized STEM programs in areas like chemistry, engineering, biology, etc., most people who historically attended college greatest gains were not from the field they studied. The graduate demonstrated that that they the discipline to learn about a new subject area, expand their perspective, engage in meaningful discussions and debates, and digest and apply their knowledge to difficult topics on tight time deadlines. The skills and exercises associated with this process prepared the students to work in a variety of corporate, manufacturing and office settings. The greater the rigor and quality of the programs associated with the degree the student obtained proved to employers their commitment and ability to succeed.

Today, there are too many colleges. Many colleges programs are not rigorous and in many cases are just substitutes for programs and skills that were previously offered in many high schools.

Many male students have been left behind by our public school systems which have shifted to test-based learning objectives that are homogeneous and less engaging. Male students disproportionately are disengaged from this method of learning as the process often lacks meaningful activities, interaction, and the acquisition of skills and knowledge that is interesting or of personal value. Since the curriculum is touted as preparing students for college, it is no surprise that many male students are not interested in what they perceive as more of the same as a post-secondary experience.
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Old 01-17-2022, 06:17 AM
 
Location: East Coast of the United States
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Outside of specialized STEM programs in areas like chemistry, engineering, biology, etc., most people who historically attended college greatest gains were not from the field they studied. The graduate demonstrated that that they the discipline to learn about a new subject area, expand their perspective, engage in meaningful discussions and debates, and digest and apply their knowledge to difficult topics on tight time deadlines.
The skills they learned in college even landed them an entry-level job as a Starbucks barista.
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Old 01-17-2022, 06:46 AM
 
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Your post, like others, actually think 1 data point is an intelligent comment? LMAO You get a Liberal Arts degree too? We know for a fact that people with Liberal Arts degrees are under employed. Oh but look over here at this one single solitary person.

This is how you run things -
"A major factor in the success of the Finnish school system, for example, is largely ignored by the American Left: Half of Finland’s students opt for vocational schools, meaning that Finnish education focuses more on job skills than on general education. That’s why 14 percent of degrees earned in Finland are in STEM fields and 18 percent are in the liberal arts, as compared with 8 percent in STEM and 38 percent in the liberal arts in the United States."
One data point, huh?! LOL you retort with one data point but that's OK because you're doing it!

Wow. The scores of attorneys I worked for, for over 30 years -- not just the one I mentioned earlier -- are laughing all the way to the bank and now retirement with their HORRIBLE liberal arts degrees and in the case of many of them, their IVY LEAGUE law degrees, many of them having been president of their university's law review.

Shall I go through calbar.org and list each and every one for you??

We get it: you're against liberal arts degrees. Thankfully, a lot of people aren't. Some people want a well rounded education, or a degree in a field they are interested in. Then they go on to get a professional degree. Clearly you don't value their educational/career path, but you shouldn't go around bashing people who do.

They're NOT beneath you, but clearly you think they are.
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Old 01-17-2022, 07:25 AM
 
Location: OH->FL->NJ
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Meanwhile the trades are paying way more than most white collar jobs. Good Plumbers raking in 250k a year, HVAC techs 200k, car mechanics 150k.
That own their own shop or are in the union WITH a steady contract. Working for someone else, figure 55-80K.

Not bad but not 250K. It can be done, and is not even rare. It is also not the median.
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Old 01-17-2022, 07:29 AM
 
Location: OH->FL->NJ
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You mean like an ex GF of mine who got an art degree (as in painting), ended up teaching art in a public school for years, now operates a successful art museum (a for profit one, no tax dollars needed). Useless degree though, right?
Your ex GF if 95th++++ percentile.
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Old 01-17-2022, 07:31 AM
 
Location: OH->FL->NJ
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Now this is actually sad (if true.)
Not sure after 1980 much but before then and especially before 1970...
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Old 01-17-2022, 07:47 AM
 
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If you’re a man who has any sort of masculinity aspect to yourself, why in the world would you want to go to a university in this country anymore? To be told how terrible and how oppressive you are simply for your existence and you should become more feminine, maybe even gay or act gay? Let’ these liberal, whiny, white wine sipping, ninny soy latte boys running our universities think they’re winning by pushing aside men. Meanwhile all the real men are doing their cheating wives and girlfriends. It’s a legit real thing. Most women aren’t attracted to liberal whinny men, they just settle for them. And then they cheat on them.
If I was a young man, I would go to university because:

a] it's a fact statistically university grads earn more over a lifetime

b] it's a target rich environment to get laid

c] it's a target rich environment to actually meet a future wife who would earn as much or more than me, and we would have a fantastic lifestyle together, financially.

d] I have a better chance of meeting my intellectual equal, as opposed to Suzy who just was able to make grades to get out of high school.
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