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Old 01-22-2022, 10:02 AM
 
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Old 01-22-2022, 10:02 AM
 
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its a complex issue... obviously exploiting young children of poverty to terrible workplace conditions, safety problems, and substandard wages are all moral conflicts.


But on other hand you have a tradition of families across america that have required their children to participate in the family business or farm to keep it afloat.


It's certainly not a pure black and white issue but one with gray area and complexity.
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Old 01-22-2022, 10:05 AM
 
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Define taking advantage.

Do you really think those children have a better option???
Please stop trying to make those of us with conscience feel great about buying goods made by children in sweatshops. Do you have a stake in one or something?

Maybe you should just make a list of items we should buy to help support sweatshop factories that "employ" the most children.
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Old 01-22-2022, 10:19 AM
 
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Please stop trying to make those of us with conscience feel great about buying goods made by children in sweatshops. Do you have a stake in one or something?

Maybe you should just make a list of items we should buy to help support sweatshop factories that "employ" the most children.
Congratulations! Your conscience has been killing children by the millions!

The road to hell is paved with good intentions.
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Old 01-22-2022, 10:30 AM
 
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its a complex issue... obviously exploiting young children of poverty to terrible workplace conditions, safety problems, and substandard wages are all moral conflicts.


But on other hand you have a tradition of families across america that have required their children to participate in the family business or farm to keep it afloat.


It's certainly not a pure black and white issue but one with gray area and complexity.
Thank you. This is the right attitude to deal with this situation.

It sucks that the sweatshop only gets a few dollars for each pair of $200 Nike sneakers. How in hell can they afford better working conditions?

For every human activity, it really comes down to cost. If it's cheaper to have safety problems, nobody is going to care about safety. If it's cheaper to hire adults, nobody will hire children.

They can't jump from the stone age into the information age in a year, a decade, or a few decades. It takes time, and some horrible things will happen, but if we let the free market/capitalism do its job, things will be better. If we mess with it, more children will die.

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Old 01-22-2022, 11:59 AM
 
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They can't jump from the stone age into the information age in a year, a decade, or a few decades. It takes time, and some horrible things will happen, but if we let the free market/capitalism do its job, things will be better. If we mess with it, more children will die.
???

The "free market" is perfectly fine exploiting children behind the scenes. Hell, there's even a free market for children. Stop pretending that the free market is some magical ethical force of the universe that leads to utopian peace and prosperity if we just follow it. That's a fantasy, sometimes even appears like a religion.

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Congratulations! Your conscience has been killing children by the millions!

The road to hell is paved with good intentions.
I think it's a bit more complicated than "not buying shoes = indirectly killing children with starvation". Maybe there's some high-level exploitation involved at the production level?? Nah, what am I thinking...

Besides, not supporting those companies is a free market decision, no? Sounds like your position is less "pro free market" and more "pro sweat shop". Nice.
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Old 01-22-2022, 12:12 PM
 
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Thank you. This is the right attitude to deal with this situation.

It sucks that the sweatshop only gets a few dollars for each pair of $200 Nike sneakers. How in hell can they afford better working conditions?

For every human activity, it really comes down to cost. If it's cheaper to have safety problems, nobody is going to care about safety. If it's cheaper to hire adults, nobody will hire children.

They can't jump from the stone age into the information age in a year, a decade, or a few decades. It takes time, and some horrible things will happen, but if we let the free market/capitalism do its job, things will be better. If we mess with it, more children will die.
Come on, Nike can’t afford to pay anymore to the sweatshops after the huge paycheck that goes to the likes of Lebron James and Colin Kaepernick. I would explain further what hypocrites these two are, but it’s kind of obvious, so I’ll refrain from comment.
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Old 01-22-2022, 12:21 PM
 
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That’s all fine and dandy and certainly feel good except for the said children must now sell themselves into prostitution, eat off garbage dump or die. The idea that those children have better alternatives is not only condescending, but also completely out of the touch with the real world.

The road to hell is paved with good intentions.
The children in the World Vision program don't sell themselves into prostitution.

That's the whole point.

We, who have more money than we know what to do with (and by that, I mean the top 1/3 of the US economy) can voluntarily see a need, and fill it with money we won't even miss.

And that's better than saying well, we need them in the sweatshops and if it weren't for the crap we want to buy from them, they'd be starving prostitutes anyway.

We can do better.
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Old 01-22-2022, 12:23 PM
 
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Come on, Nike can’t afford to pay anymore to the sweatshops after the huge paycheck that goes to the likes of Lebron James and Colin Kaepernick. I would explain further what hypocrites these two are, but it’s kind of obvious, so I’ll refrain from comment.
That is the part the capitalism cheerleaders don't get. To pay fair wages, they believe their corporate overlords when they say that the cost has to be passed onto the consumer. We have to hear about $20 burritos, we never hear about the CEO perhaps not buying yet another yacht to add to their personal armadas, or only having and maintaining 50 estates instead of the 89 they presently own and maintain. It's just grotesque.
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Old 01-22-2022, 12:56 PM
 
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That is the part the capitalism cheerleaders don't get. To pay fair wages, they believe their corporate overlords when they say that the cost has to be passed onto the consumer. We have to hear about $20 burritos, we never hear about the CEO perhaps not buying yet another yacht to add to their personal armadas, or only having and maintaining 50 estates instead of the 89 they presently own and maintain. It's just grotesque.
You are the overlord!

You don’t run the business but you have the audacity to tell others what a fair wage corporations must pay!

It’s just grotesque!
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