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Old 01-22-2022, 07:02 AM
 
Location: Fort Payne Alabama
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Actually, we can blame democrats. It began when Bill Clinton was in office. Until that time, pharma companies got tax credits for keeping their manufacturing in Puerto Rico. Clinton killed the tax credits and companies immediately started moving production to China, taking away a major portion of Puerto Rico's jobs. Now, about 90% of all ingredients for medications come from China and about 75% of all generic drugs in their entirety come from their as well.
Very true, most of our drugs were made in Puerto Rico but thanks to the Small Business Act of 1996 which took away the tax advances of operating on the island, Big Pharma closed up shop and moved to China along with a textile company I worked for costing 1,100+ jobs. There were huge plants all over PR employing thousands of people, now it is a waste land.
Bill Clinton was president, Newt was Speaker, and Biden voted for the bill. A lot of dirty hands in creating our drug problems.
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Old 01-22-2022, 07:02 AM
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Location: Where my bills arrive
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Biden is a globalist. Trump is not. We are now dependent on China for our drugs. Look it up .
So your saying that the US Drug manufacturing industry relocated in 2021? How about a link that shows that statement?
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Old 01-22-2022, 07:29 AM
 
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That seems to be the answer thrown out for every global supply problem: make it here. But how do we do that? There are millions of people in places like China and India that are making products including drugs for the US consumers. We don't have enough labor to keep the burger joints open. Our birthrate does not meet replacement. We are an aging country where workers are retiring faster than they can be replaced. Who is going to work in these new chemical, drug, light and heavy manufacturing plants? Do you favor bringing in millions of foreign workers to make those products here?

Let's assume yes, bring them in. Then consider all the energy needed to run those industries, the thousands of coal fired plants in drug producing India and China. Do you want them here? Who will build them? Staff them?

There is no simple answer.
Oh, there is an answer. Look at the number of US Pharma plants that have been closed and jobs offshored. They HAD plenty of workers and laid them off. Pharma pays well, and (previously) were secure jobs. There is no issue finding workers. This is about money in exec's pockets and nothing else. FYI the largest generic drug manufacturer in the US just closed this year. 2000 people lost their jobs.

https://www.crunchbase.com/hub/close...ical-companies

https://www.brookings.edu/blog/techt...united-states/

It's a matter of national security when basics like antibiotics are not made here.

China has cornered the market on antibiotics, so the U.S. must rebuild its manufacturing capacity
Published: April 28, 2021 at 4:10 p.m. ET

The U.S. allowed its plants to close under the onslaught of subsidized Chinese production

Right now, the U.S. has virtually no capacity to manufacture antibiotics. That’s because China currently controls roughly 90% of the global supply of inputs needed to make the generic antibiotics that treat bronchitis, pneumonia, pediatric ear infections, and life-threatening conditions such as sepsis.

https://www.marketwatch.com/story/ch...ty-11619640612
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Old 01-22-2022, 07:42 AM
 
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Prior to 2000, America got just 1% of its imported goods from China.

Then this:

"President Bill Clinton in 2000 pushed Congress to approve the U.S.-China trade agreement and China's accession to the WTO,[13] saying that more trade with China would advance America's economic interests"

Bill Clinton is a Democrat

Democrat Senator Joe Biden also pushed for, & signed the permanent China NTR, & repeatedly signed renewals:

https://www.cato.org/blog/joe-bidens-so-so-record-trade


BOTH parties sold us out to China, but the Dems really got the ball rolling in 1999 & 2000. Read this:

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/United...ns_Act_of_2000

Class dismissed

I lived through the 80's. If you were alive back then, you may recall the whole "Made In America" campaign -- that tried to prevent Corporate America and the GOP from offshoring American jobs. The lobbyists were more powerful than common sense or self-preservation. Gee, I wonder why we're in the spot we are today reliant on other countries for nearly everything????

Class dismissed.
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Old 01-22-2022, 08:01 AM
 
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In any case, you cannot blame Biden because he hasn't been president long enough for an entire industry to change its supply sources.

Of course they can. The can blame Biden for Merkel losing the election. They can blame Biden for the flood that killed thousands of Europeans a few years ago. They'll say Biden is some kind of secret witch doctor who practices satanic rituals. Anything goes with the Repubs. Sadly, the Dems too. Both parties are rotten to the core.
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Old 01-22-2022, 08:03 AM
 
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A friend of mine told me today that he called to renew his prescription. The pharmacist told him that they had no more of that drug and to call around to see if other pharmacies has any , if someone didn't pick up their prescription. How crazy is this?

Many other drugs are now impossible to get. Never trust the democrats. They mess every thing up .
https://www.cbsnews.com/video/supply...tion-shortage/
Democrats did not send Pharmacy Production to Foreign Locations.... I think one would need to do more research on "Corporate" decision making when they are discussing where drugs are produced.

It is WE THE PEOPLE who should be rallying their politicians to get Primary Production of Critical Need Products to be produced on American soil.

many drugs that were developed with Federal Funding Assistance, could have decades ago, included mandates that corporation that get and utilize those funds for critical need products, to produce no less than 50% on American soil.

American don't read legislation, and then complain when legislation did not go far enough to better manage this, it is often Right Wing Republican who are staunch advocates of Corporate Profit Agenda, who are in favor of Corporation doing anything they want to do, including producing on foreign shores in their search for low wage labor to do so.

Many people, especially people who engage various forums, don't read legislation and many simply don't have the attention span to do so. many others don't have the focused attention to understand what they read if they read it.

Even in these forums, is there are more than two paragraphs of text, that talks about multiple things, people get confused and agitated because they can't follow the dialog. So, they rely on pundits within the media to feed them their attack based indoctrinations. Rather than go read for themselves.
But, many have never been engaged in "critical thinking"... especially many older people who frequent these forums, because the system they grew up in, was based on structured assembly and production work, that did not present a need for independent critical thing, it was a programming of follow the listed script and keep your thoughts and ideas to yourself. That's the system that was designed for manufacturing. It was based on having a basic 8th grade standard of comprehension. some type of jobs had an even lower standard of comprehension, which as between 4th and 6th grade level.

One thing China does that America abandoned was OJT (On the Job Training), so China is able to transition quickly, they mix technology with human labor... and they improved the production process, so they can use OJT and get people up to speed in no time.

America started relying on Degree Labels and Assumptions... and place people in jobs they are untrained to do. So, people go in and start making decision when they have no foundational or operational background to have such a position.

I know that for a fact, because I take it upon myself to have trained many people when they are put in position and don't understand the overview of objective of the department or division they are given a position to be making decisions.
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Old 01-22-2022, 08:05 AM
 
Location: Barrington
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Even if that were true (which it isn't, but I digress), Biden has been president only a year. The US drug industry does not become dependent on a single nation for its supplies in just a year. That is something that would have started years ago. Maybe it started when Trump was president. Or maybe it started 10 years ago, or 20 years ago. In any case, you cannot blame Biden because he hasn't been president long enough for an entire industry to change its supply sources.
China is not the majority source of Active Pharmaceuticals Ingredients ( API) or finished medications.

API and finished medications are sourced from 180 countries. For example a finished medication might be produced in the US while sourcing API from say 62 different countries.

Let’s take a look at one of the most common drugs in the world- aspirin. Its primary ingredient is Acetylsalicylic Acid, an herbal remedy made from the bark and leaves of certain trees. It has been used to treat ailments and fevers dating back to 2500 BC.

In the late 1800’s, the Bayer Company in Germany was the first to produce the aspirin tablet. It continues to produce its aspirin in Germany which does not necessarily mean all its active ingredients are sourced from Germany.

Most people are blissfully unaware of the API, let alone sources, of most medications.

Supply chain issues associated with API and finished medications has impacted availability of medicine since the mid 19th century when Merck, Pfizer, Glaxo and Bayer were formed in Europe. It was even more challenging when unregulated apothecary owners used to mix API in the back rooms to produce elixirs

Blaming any POTUS for cyclical shortages is seriously goofy stuff.
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Old 01-22-2022, 08:07 AM
 
Location: A Yankee in northeast TN
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I just Googled "US drug imports from China," and among others, got this result:

China Is the Top Source of U.S. Pharmaceutical Imports, With India and Mexico Also Major Sources
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Dated April 7, 2020.

In fact, most, if not all, of the links that search returned were dated before Biden became president. There were a lot of links dated 2020 and 2019, when Trump was president.

If you are blaming Biden for drug imports from China, all I can say is you're making up excuses to blame Biden for anything you can think of.
I believe we have a winner. Seems to be par for the course in POC.
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Old 01-22-2022, 08:43 AM
 
Location: Barrington
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The U.S. allowed its plants to close under the onslaught of subsidized Chinese production

[/b]Right now, the U.S. has virtually no capacity to manufacture antibiotics. That’s because China currently controls roughly 90% of the global supply of inputs needed to make the generic antibiotics that treat bronchitis, pneumonia, pediatric ear infections, and life-threatening conditions such as sepsis.
[/i]
https://www.marketwatch.com/story/ch...ty-11619640612
In 2020, Neopharma ( UAE) declared bankruptcy and closed its plant that produced antibiotics in the US, leaving the US dependent on China for common antibiotics.

This plant was formerly owned/ operated by Glaxo ( UK) and Dr Reddy’s Labs ( India ) before that.

Jackson Healthcare ( US) is a holding company for a variety of companies mostly focused on healthcare professionals recruiting and management. It went public late last year and raised capital to acquire the shuttered plant and intends to eliminate the US dependence on China for common antibiotics.

Unlike Trump likely would have, Biden did not seize on the opportunity for a photo op and take credit.
No question, Trump has been the master of self promotion his entire adult life.

Hope Jackson Healthcare can make a go of it where other big named, companies with deep pockets, could not.

Finishing a medication in the US is one piece of a global challenge. What is not publicly known is the degree of dependencies on China and other countries for Active Pharmaceutical Ingredients ( API).
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Old 01-22-2022, 08:51 AM
 
Location: Florida
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Even if that were true (which it isn't, but I digress), Biden has been president only a year. The US drug industry does not become dependent on a single nation for its supplies in just a year. That is something that would have started years ago. Maybe it started when Trump was president. Or maybe it started 10 years ago, or 20 years ago. In any case, you cannot blame Biden because he hasn't been president long enough for an entire industry to change its supply sources.
When Trump was in he talked about our dependence on other countries for vital needs and we need to bring back many industries to be self sustaining for Americans including you.


Biden is a globalist and is bought by the Chinese. China gave Hunter Biden a BILLION DOLLARS of Communist Chinese money to invest. How is that for being bought!!
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