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You know, if you flipped back a couple pages you would have found it. Or you could just google "male virginity on the rise" or something like "18 30 never had sex men".
I linked to this early in the thread. It is a combination of a bunch of statistics from multiple places.
I read it. I would speculate that young guys just aren't as cute and as sexually appealing to the women these days. So, women reject them more often than before, leading to more and more incels. Back in the 1990s, I went to a concert in Tulsa to hear Alan Jackson, the great country music star. But the concert was ruined from women behind me just constantly screaming as loud as they could over him, apparently because he had such a darling cute, sexy face. But I just went to the concert, because I loved his music, not because he had some especially cute face to always scream as loudly as possible over. So, for these times what cute, faced guys are women screaming over, like silly? Hardly any? Justin Bieber, like Alan Jackson, is yesterday news.
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Then why cry about it?? why don’t mgtows and incels go to Nevada and let the 1-2% of women there satisfy them for a small fee. That would balance the scales and you all could stop crying about it. 5 mins and BOOM no longer a virgin and are now sexually active.
Well from my short time reading some of their thoughts over the last week or two — a lot of MGTOW people DO like using sex workers. Apparently some of them even have regular escorts…who they enjoy talking to (they specifically look for a woman that can hold a conversation) even though the whole thing is really just a business transaction. For some it’s just a routine every month or two thing… no different than taking your car in to get the oil changed.
I even heard some saying it was much easier, economical and efficient to scratch their itch for sex with a paid professional instead of playing the dating game. With traditional dating you often have to say the right things, pay for dates, dress nice, impress with car/house/education, etc, etc.
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That’s why I said many men are MGTOW without knowing what it is. And many of those that do know what it is aren’t necessarily disparaging women…they are just living their life without women and connecting to other men who have chosen to do the same.
It is a decision they made begrudgingly, generally out of sheer frustration, disappointment, or emotional distress. Even if I voted for Joe Biden, I can still complain about him. Just like if I vote for Donald Trump I can complain about him. If I don't vote, I can complain.
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Then why cry about it?? why don’t mgtows and incels go to Nevada and let the 1-2% of women there satisfy them for a small fee. That would balance the scales and you all could stop crying about it. 5 mins and BOOM no longer a virgin and are now sexually active.
Again, it isn't about sex. Stop making everything about sex. Everyone has a right to complain when they don't like what is going on. Women complain about men all the time. There are plenty of women who are basically the female equivalent of MGTOW. But most of them could have sex any time they want to. Pic-related.
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Probably even more likely — more women are sharing the same man. I mean there are men out there making a sport of online dating hookups. A top 10%-ish man can easily juggle 4 or 5 women while replacing his entire supply every 1-2 months. The amount of attention from online dating has convinced a lot of women they deserve a top 10% male…and they’ve convinced themselves they can be the one for him.
This is 100% correct, and I don't think anyone here would even argue it.
The debate seems to be whether this is a problem. And to me this seems like an obvious problem. But 90% of the posters in this thread are fine with it.
It is a decision they made begrudgingly, generally out of sheer frustration, disappointment, or emotional distress. Even if I voted for Joe Biden, I can still complain about him. Just like if I vote for Donald Trump I can complain about him. If I don't vote, I can complain.
I see what you mean — it’s probably not an easy decision for a man to pull himself away from something we’ve been conditioned to want since the beginning of civilization. Like you said it’s done begrudgingly as a reaction to the world they now see.
I read it. I would speculate that young guys just aren't as cute and as sexually appealing to the women these days.
This is technically correct, but it is probably even more true for women. There are literally fat-acceptance movements now, all driven by women. On top of that, women usually find looks less important than men do. If yours was the explanation, it would be the reverse.
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Well, incels do feel their faces are so god damned ugly that the only women who want them are prostitutes
Speak for yourself friend. I suppose I'm getting old now, but I've always been a fairly good-looking guy. Probably would have been considered an 8 when I was younger.
You may have noticed from my constant ranting about prostitution, that I have a real disgust for whores. There is a bit of a joke in my family because when I was still fairly young, probably seventeen, I was complaining to my sister about how all women are whores. She turned to me and asked if our mother was a *****. And I said, she is a reformed *****.
That didn't quite sit so well, being that I was raised with only sisters and no brothers by my single mother. They weren't too happy, and no one took my side. But honestly, I would probably blame being raised around women for my bleak outlook on the world.
Well, I was the youngest, and I used to listen to my mother and sisters talk about men, how terrible men were, whatever they didn't like about men, and they decided that they would teach me how to be a proper man. The problem with listening to women, is that they make it seem like men are just some fallen beings, while women are innocent angels. Which was probably reinforced with the old image of women as chaste, noble, and pure.
So I set out to be who I thought I was supposed to be. A white-knight who was respectful, helpful, caring, generous, etc. In the belief that women were the noble creatures of my imagination. As you probably guessed, this didn't exactly work out. Women aren't noble creatures, and I became a bit disillusioned and bitter. Which has never left me. I still feel pretty much the same as I did at seventeen.
A second problem was that, I would have been an extreme disappointment to my mother if I was ignoble towards women. If I had been a man like my father, it would have broke her heart. This kept me somewhat boxed in, I could not date a hussy, I needed to find a good girl.
The problem is, good girls don't exist. And if they do, I have no idea where they are. Although in retrospect, my family was Mormon and I stopped going to church around 12. My mother constantly nagged me to go to church with her, but wouldn't force me. She said even if I don't think I need to go, it is good for the fellowship.
I would say this, if I had gone to church with her, and been engaged in church activities, I probably would have gotten married and had a half-dozen Mormon kids by now. As appealing as that sounds, I'm glad I made the decisions I did. Otherwise I would be like you guys, whining about how incels are to blame for everything. Refusing to see the societal changes that have left so many people out.
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Furthermore, incels don't even have a charming, animated, humorous personality to often put a smile or a laugh on a woman's face to make them forget they're not all that ugly and undesirable to be around.
It reminds of those videos where someone goes into a Trump rally, finds the absolute biggest idiots, and presents them as if every Trump supporter is like that. I don't know where you're getting your information about incels, but it is wrong.
There are definitely people like that. The statistics say that about 25% of incels are autistic. But that also means that 75% aren't. So be careful about painting with a broad brush that disparages the vast majority of the people.
I don't think lack of charm or humor is the real problem. I think most of it is lack of confidence, ambition, and just not understanding women.
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Mostly nonsense. Your attitude is the type that makes incels. Nobody buy YOU are responsible for YOUR life. Life is 10% of things you can’t control and 90% what you can. If you are living in moms basement at 30 years old that is YOUR fault and no one else’s and not the “system’s”. Get out, be a man and go make a life. No one said it was or is easy but it can be very rewarding if you are willing to work and stretch yourself.
Incels control some things, but a sexual union is by definition an intimate partnership, so the male partner can control no more than half of the interaction.
If you can get a female to agree to being just 10% in control of the relationship they have with a male, more power to ya.
That hasn't been my experience and I doubt many others have been able to dominate a woman in the way you suggest.
I see what you mean — it’s probably not an easy decision for a man to pull himself away from something we’ve been conditioned to want since the beginning of civilization.
Conditioned means it is a social construction. I don't think wanting a girlfriend is a social construction. I don't think women wanting a man is a social construction.
As the joke goes, if you threw a couple kids on an island by themselves from a young age, they would figure it out.
MGTOW is like choosing to never listen to music, or dance, or sing, or to look at beauty, or even to speak. We aren't taught these things, we just do them because we are human. To give up the desire for a relationship is to cease to be human. To cease to eat. To cease to drink. To cease to live.
The moment I lost my desire for relationships, I lost my desire to live. Nothing mattered. My dreams and ambitions gone. The only thing left was the avoidance of pain. But I suppose I must still have some hope somewhere. What would there be without hope?
It is a decision they made begrudgingly, generally out of sheer frustration, disappointment, or emotional distress. Even if I voted for Joe Biden, I can still complain about him. Just like if I vote for Donald Trump I can complain about him. If I don't vote, I can complain.
Again, it isn't about sex. Stop making everything about sex. Everyone has a right to complain when they don't like what is going on. Women complain about men all the time. There are plenty of women who are basically the female equivalent of MGTOW. But most of them could have sex any time they want to. Pic-related.
On your picture, yes, there are women like that, but it's not a female thing, there are men who do the same as that woman in the picture. I dated a man like that right before I met my current boyfriend. Let's call that man I dated before my boyfriend Larry. Before we dated, Larry was always saying, "where are all the good women" and "oh, I am so lonely, why doesn't any woman want a good guy like me." He came on to me a few times and was flirtations, I thought he was a good guy, we had a lot of common interests, so I asked him out and we started dating.
We had a romantic relationship for about a month and had a great time (or so I thought). He kind of dwelled on "why was I dating him" and I told him I thought he was a good man, he was kind to me, we had fun and laughed a lot, etc. Then, suddenly, for no reason I can figure out, he went cold and distant. I asked him why and he said he just didn't want to have a relationship, he was too old, it wasn't me it was him, blah, blah, blah. Turns out Larry's interest shifted to a married woman. A mutual friend of ours (who works with him) told me that's what he does: fixates on unobtainable women and then complains that there are no good women. He didn't think I would be interested in him and once I was clearly "attainable" he lost interest and went to another unobtainable woman to fixate his lament and loneliness on.
Some people just like being lonely and miserable... they like being the victim and getting pity and attention. It's a kind of masochism or call for attention. Those women who write the, "where are all the good men" articles are among them. But there are plenty of men in that boat too.
I want to have pity for incels, I really do. Their story was mine when I was younger except I am a woman. It wasn't until I hit 40 that suddenly I became a hot commodity with men for some reason. Which is why I get a laugh out of the whole, "hitting the wall" concept.
But like I said, incels overwhelming seem to hate women (as much as I was rejected, I never hated men). I am only human, it's hard to care for someone who hates you just because of your genetic makeup, so the empathy only goes so far. But you seem like a really good guy though from the posts I read--you don't seem to have hate for women. I hope, maybe, your life will be like mine and you will come into your own with the opposite sex at some point. Don't give up hope, I never did and I eventually found love at 45 years old. The key thing I did was I found how to be happy with myself. Then, when I found love, it was icing on the cake, but not the whole cake.
The problem is that capitalism is self-centeredness(IE selfishness). The tendency of capitalism is to split apart families and communities from economic extortion until everything becomes transitory and everyone is a stranger.
If you're part of a family/community, you learn to be more benevolent. You care about other people. But when you're an individual surrounded by strangers, you think only of yourself.
Thus it is the nature of our society that has encouraged, rewarded, and practically demanded selfishness. Which is made even worse by a materialistic economic system that values everyone and everything in dollars.
Capitalism didn't "emancipate" women for moral reasons. It emancipated them so they could go to work, earn money, grow the economy, and inflate asset prices, but only once machines displaced the need for their domestic labor.
The United States is a secular government because religion is divisive and limiting. If we're going to have our glorious one-world government, then religion, and its morals, cannot hold sway over public life. Morality itself must be minimized, obscured, and made permissive.
The solution is to revert from this "stranger" society, so that people are surrounded by people who they care about, and who care about them. To destroy this competitive, winner takes all culture of callousness.
But the government has nothing to gain from such a change, and everything to lose, so it will not happen. The reality is, things will continue along its current course. I can only imagine what things will be like 20, 30, or 50 years from now.
My only solace is that I won't be around to see it.
Why are people not a part of a family or community?
No capitalism didnt emancipate women, necessity did.
Do can you give me some examples how life is better, how life is better for men and masculinity in socialist and communist countries. Is it better or worse for women and children.
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