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Old 02-07-2022, 06:13 PM
 
Location: Auckland, New Zealand
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My close friend's mom who was extremely healthy died suddenly less than a week after getting the Covid vaccine shot.

I also know of a perfectly healthy 9th grader who had a bad reaction to the first shot. Her and her family didn't want her to get the 2nd shot but reluctantly had her take the advice of a doctor who ignored their concerns. Within a couple of hours lf e girl developed intense pressure in her chest, breathing difficulty, and vomiting blood. She then had a major seizure, fell into a coma, and eventually died. Just a coincidence I'm sure
For one person to know of three cases tells us something!

I know of only two cases. I also know of three cases of covid deaths, all three health compromised, one was already dying. I keep hearing of vaxx injuries too and was myself injured.

But the "correlation does not imply causation" we keep on hearing only seems to work one way.

Like Betty White. She dies days after having a booster. But no, that had nothing to do with it. It was because she was 99 years old. What happened to "correlation does not imply causation"?

The Brazilian tv show anchor - Collapses on tv, has five heart attacks on the way to hospital. Aah but no, he actually had a hitherto unknown congenital heart condition which actually caused his death. again, what happened to "correlation does not imply causation"? It's funny that after 36 years , this heart condition just randomly surface five or six days after he had the booster.

I put it to y'all that without the congenital heart condition, the booster would have done nothing and without the booster, the heart condition would have done nothing. It took the two together to cause a problem.

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Old 02-07-2022, 06:47 PM
 
Location: Gaston, South Carolina
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Like Betty White. She dies days after having a booster. But no, that had nothing to do with it. It was because she was 99 years old. What happened to "correlation does not imply causation"?
Nope. She never got boosted. That fact was confirmed by her manager days after her death when this horrible rumor first popped up.

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Later addressing the speculation about White’s cause of death, Witjas (her manager) told People magazine here : “People are saying her death was related to getting a booster shot three days earlier but that’s not true. She died of natural causes. Her death should not be politicized — that is not the life she lived."
Betty White did not say she had a COVID-19 booster shortly before her death
 
Old 02-07-2022, 07:59 PM
 
Location: Georgia, USA
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For one person to know of three cases tells us something!

I know of only two cases. I also know of three cases of covid deaths, all three health compromised, one was already dying. I keep hearing of vaxx injuries too and was myself injured.

But the "correlation does not imply causation" we keep on hearing only seems to work one way.

Like Betty White. She dies days after having a booster. But no, that had nothing to do with it. It was because she was 99 years old. What happened to "correlation does not imply causation"?

The Brazilian tv show anchor - Collapses on tv, has three heart attacks on the way to hospital and subsequently dies. Aah but no, he actually had a hitherto unknown congenital heart condition which actually caused his death. again, what happened to "correlation does not imply causation"? It's funny that for 36 years no-one knew about the heart condition.
People who are 99 years old never died before there was a covid vaccine?

As to the Brazilian TV host, his name is Rafael Silva. First of all, he did not die. He did not have "three heart attacks". He had multiple cardiac arrests due to an arrhythmia due to a condition called mitral annular disjunction. It is indeed a congenital defect, although it does not usually manifest until well into adulthood.

https://www.reuters.com/article/fact...-idUSL1N2U721U

From Senor Silva himself:

“After almost two weeks of recovery, a lot has happened, the main thing being that I discovered a mitral annular disjunction in the heart, which is a small malformation in the muscle. So now I have an automatic defibrillator implanted to prevent my heart from giving me new scares. Soon we will be together again,” Silva wrote.

Age at diagnosis of mitral annular disjunction in this study was 49 +/- 15 years. Therefore it is common to go 36 years or more before the diagnosis is made.

https://www.jacc.org/doi/abs/10.1016/j.jacc.2018.07.070

This is a classic example of how misinformation about the covid vaccines gets propagated on the internet.
 
Old 02-07-2022, 09:22 PM
 
Location: Georgia, USA
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Nope. She never got boosted. That fact was confirmed by her manager days after her death when this horrible rumor first popped up.



Betty White did not say she had a COVID-19 booster shortly before her death
More internet covid vaccine misinformation
 
Old 02-08-2022, 01:08 AM
 
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*** "Conclusions: Young males infected with the virus are up 6 times more likely to develop myocarditis as those who have received the vaccine." ***
I gave you two studies. One from Hong Kong, estimating rates of myocarditis following Pfizer vaccine (moderna will be even higher) in young males. I provided their results.

Then I provided a study from the USA which surveyed databases and estimated myocarditis from infection in young males using health databases, and posted their results.

If you know even basic math, you can see which one is higher.

Now the USA study goes on to conclude that myocarditis is higher from infection. But how do they conclude it? They compare their findings to CDC figures or similar such findings - which are all understood to be undercounted. But when you compare their findings to a more rigorous study from Hong Kong (and there is a study out of Israel as well) their conclusion does not hold.

Their conclusion is unimportant, I'm interested in their data not their conclusion.

Unfortunately, studies on myocarditis in young men from COVID are basically nonexistent. This is the only one I could find on the fly. Many exist on vaccine induced myocarditis, so we can compare studies and see outliers. I have suspicion they're overestimating myocarditis from the infection, their 95% confidence intervals are rather large and almost cross 0, due to little data.
 
Old 02-08-2022, 07:34 AM
 
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You are assuming that there cannot be familial clusters of deaths, which there certainly have been.

https://www.1011now.com/2021/08/01/i...vid-19-5-days/

https://abcnews.go.com/US/covids-wic...ry?id=76068967

https://www.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/pmc/articles/PMC7310175/

Perhaps you should not accuse people of lying, since your claim is ... faulty.
I don’t believe random claims that anonymous posters toss about like confetti, anymore than I believe the fake news you post constantly.
 
Old 02-08-2022, 08:00 AM
 
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People who are 99 years old never died before there was a covid vaccine?

As to the Brazilian TV host, his name is Rafael Silva. First of all, he did not die. He did not have "three heart attacks". He had multiple cardiac arrests due to an arrhythmia due to a condition called mitral annular disjunction. It is indeed a congenital defect, although it does not usually manifest until well into adulthood.

https://www.reuters.com/article/fact...-idUSL1N2U721U

This is a classic example of how misinformation about the covid vaccines gets propagated on the internet.
The rumors of Reuters chairman being a Pfizer investor didn't helped things either and that factcheck article coming from Reuters is just a concidence to add more to the seas of misinformation.
https://www.christianitydaily.com/ar...eport-says.htm
 
Old 02-08-2022, 08:02 AM
 
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I gave you two studies. One from Hong Kong, estimating rates of myocarditis following Pfizer vaccine (moderna will be even higher) in young males. I provided their results.

Then I provided a study from the USA which surveyed databases and estimated myocarditis from infection in young males using health databases, and posted their results.

If you know even basic math, you can see which one is higher.

Now the USA study goes on to conclude that myocarditis is higher from infection. But how do they conclude it? They compare their findings to CDC figures or similar such findings - which are all understood to be undercounted. But when you compare their findings to a more rigorous study from Hong Kong (and there is a study out of Israel as well) their conclusion does not hold.

Their conclusion is unimportant, I'm interested in their data not their conclusion.

Unfortunately, studies on myocarditis in young men from COVID are basically nonexistent. This is the only one I could find on the fly. Many exist on vaccine induced myocarditis, so we can compare studies and see outliers. I have suspicion they're overestimating myocarditis from the infection, their 95% confidence intervals are rather large and almost cross 0, due to little data.

I would like to know why when someone gets myocarditus right after being vaccinated it's considered fate and not the vaccine but when they get myocarditus after catching covid it's not fate, it's the covid for sure. Let's be consistent with fate folks.
 
Old 02-08-2022, 09:31 AM
 
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I would like to know why when someone gets myocarditus right after being vaccinated it's considered fate and not the vaccine but when they get myocarditus after catching covid it's not fate, it's the covid for sure. Let's be consistent with fate folks.
Last year we did not hear a peep about myocarditis being a consequence of Covid infection The claims that are being made now is just more rewriting of history. The common theme was Covid pneumonia-oxygen deprivation, and renal failure which we now understand was being caused by Remdesivir, which was the likely culprit in a majority of deaths diagnosed as Covid pneumonia.

Had there been such a prevalence of Covid caused myocarditis, it would have been all over the news like the rest of the fear porn.
 
Old 02-08-2022, 09:51 AM
 
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Last year we did not hear a peep about myocarditis being a consequence of Covid infection The claims that are being made now is just more rewriting of history. The common theme was Covid pneumonia-oxygen deprivation, and renal failure which we now understand was being caused by Remdesivir, which was the likely culprit in a majority of deaths diagnosed as Covid pneumonia.

Had there been such a prevalence of Covid caused myocarditis, it would have been all over the news like the rest of the fear porn.
It is interesting how the symptoms and effects of the illness are rewritten so they are the exact same medical problems happening to those who are vaccinated. Quite, curious.

This is not the fist time this has happened. The criteria doctors used for diagnosing a case polio were rewritten AFTER the vaccine was rolled out. The new criteria made it virtually impossible to diagnose a patient with polio. What was diagnosed as polio before the vaccine was rolled out was no longer considered polio after the vaccine was rolled out. POOF cases disappear.
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