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I don’t agree with your take. To me, a perfect example of free market is what is happening right now with CNN. They have put out a horrible product and pushed misinformation for 6 years now, people realize there is much better alternatives out there like Joe Rogan and Tucker Carlson to get their information and find real debate. Now CNN has no viewers and is forced to start making changes. In a free market, the people chose Joe over corporate controlled media.
Pressuring corporations to censor content is not free market, the majority of the people do not support this. But the vocal few with backing of powerful corporations and politicians with special interests fight against the free market to rig the game, and override the will of the people in a true free market. The want to remove all dissent leaving us no alternatives and no virtually no free market for information and debate. President Biden and Obama are pressuring Spotify to “do more”. Only one side is doing this
Nobody is questioning the right of Spotify to carry Joe Rogan, even if he spreads misinformation that may possibly have the result of killing people or spews racist garbage. What that are saying is that they will not be a part of the misinformation campaign nor the racial hatred. This is precisely how the Free Market works - they carry what they want, and everyone decides for themselves whether to participate.
They can keep Joe Rogan, and everyone else, content creators and consumers alike, will find somewhere new to do what they do. It's a really simple concept.
Nobody is questioning the right of Spotify to carry Joe Rogan, even if he spreads misinformation that may possibly have the result of killing people. What that are saying is that they will not be a part of the misinformation campaign.
They can keep Joe Rogan, and everyone else, content creators and consumers alike, will find somewhere new to do what they do. It's a really simple concept.
Joe Rogan's interviews were the best information of CoV19 I have seen in several years as a medical professional in practice with these patients.
Pressuring corporations to censor content is not free market, the majority of the people do not support this.
Yes, it is. If you shop in Publix, for example, you just pressured that business to cater to you. If you buy Froot Loops, now you pressured Publix and Kellogg's to cater to you.
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But the vocal few with backing of powerful corporations and politicians with special interests fight against the free market to rig the game, and override the will of the people in a true free market. The want to remove all dissent leaving us no alternatives and no virtually no free market for information and debate. President Biden and Obama are pressuring Spotify to “do more”. Only one side is doing this
There is a critical difference. You buy Froot Loops because you like Froot Loops, not because you hate a competition and you tries to pressure Publix from catering to others who like the competition. The latter is what is happening now. A true free market would be for that vocal few to target the consumers, not the businesses. It would be you convincing other shoppers to buy Froot Loops more than its competition and eventually Publix would not be profitable selling that other brand and drop it. So you are correct here.
If I am offended by what Rogan said, the proper thing to do is to campaign to his listeners, not Spotify, and let the free market dictate Rogan's fate. But convincing people who listens to Rogan is hard work, so the easier thing to do is target Spotify. One known person or 11 million anonymous listeners?
I will be extreme for a bit...
Of those who want Rogan out, how many of them would shoot Spotify's CEO Daniel Ek? Given what we have seen so far of the Left: plenty would.
Of those who want Rogan out, how many of them would shame Spotify's CEO Daniel Ek? This is the path because murder is illegal.
But no matter which, pressuring the business bypasses the consumers and at the philosophical level, deny the consumers true free market principle. So yes, the Left IS practicing censorship.
Nobody is questioning the right of Spotify to carry Joe Rogan, even if he spreads misinformation that may possibly have the result of killing people or spews racist garbage. What that are saying is that they will not be a part of the misinformation campaign nor the racial hatred. This is precisely how the Free Market works - they carry what they want, and everyone decides for themselves whether to participate.
They can keep Joe Rogan, and everyone else, content creators and consumers alike, will find somewhere new to do what they do. It's a really simple concept.
If that is all that happened...
If other content creators do not want to share a distribution platform, and Spotify is such a business, then they can withdraw their contents. But that is not all that is happening. Spotify is background removing some of Rogan's contents. Why? Is someone or group pressuring Spotify? We do not know for now. But the fact that Spotify is selectively removing some of Rogan's contents without explaining why leave the consumers the option of believing that there is censorship going on.
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All content creators have to do is build their own internet backbones, last-mile service, data centers, search engines, and phone/computer operating systems and hardware. Then they won't have to worry about their service being shut down. Though they'll still need advertisers who don't mind being boycotted.
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There is a critical difference. You buy Froot Loops because you like Froot Loops, not because you hate a competition and you tries to pressure Publix from catering to others who like the competition.
It's not that people want to remove competition, but that they find certain things objectionable/immoral. For instance, a lot of people want to boycott Chinese goods because they are being made with Uyghur slave labor. Others pressured youtube to ban Alex Jones because he said Sandy Hook was fake, and that the people were all crisis actors.
If Publix was doing something unethical, shouldn't I try to stop it? What's wrong with pressuring General Mills to stop selling to Publix until they pay their employees better? Why is that against the free market? Aren't I free to do whatever I want with my money? And isn't General Mills only reacting to market forces?
Nobody is questioning the right of Spotify to carry Joe Rogan, even if he spreads misinformation that may possibly have the result of killing people or spews racist garbage. What that are saying is that they will not be a part of the misinformation campaign nor the racial hatred. This is precisely how the Free Market works - they carry what they want, and everyone decides for themselves whether to participate.
They can keep Joe Rogan, and everyone else, content creators and consumers alike, will find somewhere new to do what they do. It's a really simple concept.
Have the rappers been put on notice that any of their music is being pulled for use of the n word and racial hatred against crack--rs?
Yes, it is. If you shop in Publix, for example, you just pressured that business to cater to you. If you buy Froot Loops, now you pressured Publix and Kellogg's to cater to you.
There is a critical difference. You buy Froot Loops because you like Froot Loops, not because you hate a competition and you tries to pressure Publix from catering to others who like the competition. The latter is what is happening now. A true free market would be for that vocal few to target the consumers, not the businesses. It would be you convincing other shoppers to buy Froot Loops more than its competition and eventually Publix would not be profitable selling that other brand and drop it. So you are correct here.
If I am offended by what Rogan said, the proper thing to do is to campaign to his listeners, not Spotify, and let the free market dictate Rogan's fate. But convincing people who listens to Rogan is hard work, so the easier thing to do is target Spotify. One known person or 11 million anonymous listeners?
I will be extreme for a bit...
Of those who want Rogan out, how many of them would shoot Spotify's CEO Daniel Ek? Given what we have seen so far of the Left: plenty would.
Of those who want Rogan out, how many of them would shame Spotify's CEO Daniel Ek? This is the path because murder is illegal.
But no matter which, pressuring the business bypasses the consumers and at the philosophical level, deny the consumers true free market principle. So yes, the Left IS practicing censorship.
Preventing people from hearing opinions is censorship. Coercing them from having opinions is fascism.
Nobody is questioning the right of Spotify to carry Joe Rogan, even if he spreads misinformation that may possibly have the result of killing people or spews racist garbage. What that are saying is that they will not be a part of the misinformation campaign nor the racial hatred. This is precisely how the Free Market works - they carry what they want, and everyone decides for themselves whether to participate.
They can keep Joe Rogan, and everyone else, content creators and consumers alike, will find somewhere new to do what they do. It's a really simple concept.
I guess 11 million people per episode are also racist and wanting to kill people, for supporting Rogan and his show.
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