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DPT is just a bundled vaccine, of one is Tetanus. Obviously kids were getting vaccinated for Tetanus before DPT. If you a chart of the share of kids vaccinated for Tetanus from the 1920s to now in the USA, that could be interesting and we can see if it matches the case rate of declines.
The data were not reported. It does not exist until the 1940s.
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Show the study of children in the same exact environment of 1920 before and after vaccination. Otherwise there is no study that shows that the vaccine works in the US population.
Since today we all live with sanitation, hygiene, and antibiotics. That's a fact.
Cases were decreasing --- from very small numbers to even smaller numbers -- before the vaccine was introduced to the population. That's a fact.
You still can't produce any evidence that a significant amount of children were sick and/or died.
Why is that?
The data were not reported. It does not exist.
The symptoms of tetanus are not caused by the bacteria. They are caused by toxins produced by the bacteria. Treatment includes antitoxin: antibodies against the toxin. The vaccine is made from the toxin, not the bacteria. Antibiotics are also given but alone they do not treat tetanus.
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So are treatment protocols different now than back when you were a nurse? Would she have a better chance of surviving today?
Yes, but mortality is still high.
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What data was the vaccine development based on if there was no tracking or documentation of cases and deaths to show a vaccine was needed?
What data was the vaccine development based on if there was no tracking or documentation of cases and deaths to show a vaccine was needed?
People saw cases of lockjaw. People found a way to prevent lockjaw. People thought "Let's do this, because dying in a colossal cramp of every muscle has to suck."
Enter the 21st century where people live the most comfortable, safe, secure and healthy lives humans have ever managed - only to start chipping away at the foundations, because people just can't handle the idea that there are those who know much more about infectious diseases than they do, and their word carry more weight. Gut feelings and pseudoscience and insistence on "good old common sense".
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I worry that, especially as the Millennium edges nearer, pseudoscience and superstition will seem year by year more tempting, the siren song of unreason more sonorous and attractive. Where have we heard it before? Whenever our ethnic or national prejudices are aroused, in times of scarcity, during challenges to national self-esteem or nerve, when we agonize about our diminished cosmic place and purpose, or when fanaticism is bubbling up around us - then, habits of thought familiar from ages past reach for the controls.
The candle flame gutters. Its little pool of light trembles. Darkness gathers. The demons begin to stir
But it could come from Moo Doo fertilizer (made from cow poop)
In all seriousness, when I first learned about Tetanus, I thought it came from stepping on a rusty nail. Never before heard that it is in soil.
Our grandmas and moms were partly right with their "rusty nail" warnings.
You were partly right in believing Tetanus is caused by stepping on a rusty nail. Rust doesn't cause Tetanus, but stepping on a nail might if you're not immunized. In fact, any damage to the skin, even burns and blisters, allows tetanus-causing bacteria to enter the body.
Tetanus is caused by a bacteria called Clostridium Tetani, which makes its home in soil, dust, and feces etc as elaborated upon in numerous other posts. If you get a puncture wound from something that's been exposed to any one of those elements, regardless of whether there's rust, it's possible to become infected with Tetanus. Nails are a common route for infection because C. Tetani thrives in an oxygen-deprived setting like the one far below your skin's surface. Still, every injury that breaks the skin — from a dog bite to a safety-pin mishap — carries with it the potential for tetanus.
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The data were not reported. It does not exist until the 1940s.
The data were not reported. It does not exist.
The symptoms of tetanus are not caused by the bacteria. They are caused by toxins produced by the bacteria. Treatment includes antitoxin: antibodies against the toxin. The vaccine is made from the toxin, not the bacteria. Antibiotics are also given but alone they do not treat tetanus.
Yes, but mortality is still high.
The WWI experience.
It is a nasty disease with a high case fatality rate with a vaccine that is about 100% effective. It is unconscionable not to vaccinate against it.
Ah, OK.
School children in the United States in the 1950s are at the same risk for illness as young adult men fighting in trenches in 1917 with no sanitation, hygiene, antibiotics, and facing exhaustion, dehydration, exposed to the elements, and lacking modern medical care?
That's your "evidence"? The two groups are 100% equal?
How can a vaccine be created for children when children were not at risk, such that there isn't even 1 report regarding cases in children?
How many times do you have to be told that the answer to your question is that the data you are demanding were never collected?
You finally answered it. Sound angry about it, too.
And you admit there is no answer.
There was NO evidence that children were at such a high risk of dying from tetanus that they needed a vaccine.
Cool.
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