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Old 02-06-2022, 12:27 PM
 
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Tetanus cases pre-1950 averaged about 500 a year. That's cases, not deaths. Cases. 500 CASES per year WITHOUT a vaccine. See the CDC graph for yourself on the CDC page.

https://www.cdc.gov/tetanus/surveillance.html

Why is there a vaccine on the children's schedule? Tetanus was predominately found in war vets whose wounds were not cleaned properly. Vaccine was rolled out 1950-ish.

But, hey, give it to the kids. They are apparently at high risk of something ??? If you figure out what it is, please let me know. TIA.
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Old 02-06-2022, 01:06 PM
 
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A good example is TB, a disease not existent in the US but we don’t vaccinate for it (besides HCW). Modern engineering eliminated most of these diseases not vaccines. The more we vaccinate the more autoimmune issues we have.
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Old 02-06-2022, 04:13 PM
 
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A good example is TB, a disease not existent in the US but we don’t vaccinate for it (besides HCW). Modern engineering eliminated most of these diseases not vaccines. The more we vaccinate the more autoimmune issues we have.
Tuberculosis is very much endemic in the US. In fact, antibiotic resistant tb is a major issue.

What we don't have is bcg vaccine. It prevents tb infections for 20 years. You cannot give a booster.

There is no evidence vaccines impact the prevalence of auto immune disorders. Being too clean might increase the risk but not vaccines
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Old 02-06-2022, 06:06 PM
 
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Truth Bomb Alert

Tetanus cases pre-1950 averaged about 500 a year. That's cases, not deaths. Cases. 500 CASES per year WITHOUT a vaccine. See the CDC graph for yourself on the CDC page.

https://www.cdc.gov/tetanus/surveillance.html

Why is there a vaccine on the children's schedule? Tetanus was predominately found in war vets whose wounds were not cleaned properly. Vaccine was rolled out 1950-ish.

But, hey, give it to the kids. They are apparently at high risk of something ??? If you figure out what it is, please let me know. TIA.
This is what dying from tetanus looks like. Thought some may find it interesting.

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Old 02-06-2022, 06:09 PM
 
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A good example is TB, a disease not existent in the US...
Where do you guys get these ideas?

https://www.cdc.gov/tb/statistics/re...ommentary.html
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Old 02-06-2022, 06:44 PM
 
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Truth Bomb Alert

Tetanus cases pre-1950 averaged about 500 a year. That's cases, not deaths. Cases. 500 CASES per year WITHOUT a vaccine. See the CDC graph for yourself on the CDC page.

https://www.cdc.gov/tetanus/surveillance.html

Why is there a vaccine on the children's schedule? Tetanus was predominately found in war vets whose wounds were not cleaned properly. Vaccine was rolled out 1950-ish.

But, hey, give it to the kids. They are apparently at high risk of something ??? If you figure out what it is, please let me know. TIA.
The Tetanus shot came into circulation in the late 1940s. At that time there were an average of 472 deaths per year in the United States.

https://www.dshs.texas.gov/IDCU/dise...fact-sheet.doc

Tetanus is still a problem worldwide. While we have about six deaths per year now (from unvaccinated and unboosted persons) there are hundreds of thousands of deaths each year across the world. I really don't think it's a good idea to get rid of the vaccine given that stat.
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Old 02-07-2022, 02:41 AM
 
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TB incidence in the USA by year:https://www.cdc.gov/tb/statistics/tbcases.htm

2020: 2.2 per 100,000
1953: 52.6 per 100,000

And in the early 1900s it was far higher, a true killer of generations.

And this 25 fold reduction was done without vaccines. But merely through improvements in engineering and sanitation.

If we were administering children vaccines for TB, the vaccine manufacturers would claim it was the vaccines causing the decline, but as we can see, disease reduction was achieved without a vaccine at all.
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Old 02-07-2022, 02:49 AM
 
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I read somewhere that polio was declining by the time the polio vax came out and took credit for ending the pandemic.

I won't worry about getting a tetanus shot now. I was hesitating because it's been bundled with other shots and I couldn't get it separately anyway.
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Old 02-07-2022, 02:50 AM
 
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Tuberculosis is very much endemic in the US. In fact, antibiotic resistant tb is a major issue.

What we don't have is bcg vaccine. It prevents tb infections for 20 years. You cannot give a booster.

There is no evidence vaccines impact the prevalence of auto immune disorders. Being too clean might increase the risk but not vaccines
The hygiene hypothesis is blamed for allergies (also an issue with the immune system, but one where the immune system is over sensitive to harmless proteins). In fact, the NIAID [National Institute of Allergy and Infectious Diseases] was originally created to fight the rising incidence of allergies in the USA, Fauci simply hijacked it to push hew drugs for invented diseases and inventing viruses as the cause for diseases and syndromes (as was likely done for HIV and AIDs but this is a long long story).

Autoimmunity is rising in the USA:

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They found that ANA prevalence for 1988-1991 was 11.0%, while for 1999-2004 it was 11.5%, and for 2011-2012 it was 15.9%. These percentages corresponded to 22, 27, and 41 million affected individuals, respectively.

Of the four demographic groups that displayed considerable ANA increases, findings in the adolescent group were the most worrisome to the research team. Young people, ages 12-19, had the largest ANA increases in the study, going from a two-fold to a three-fold increase over the three timeframes.
https://www.nih.gov/news-events/news...-united-states

And the only likely culprit is the increasing vaccination schedule for kids. Most people don't realize just how broad autoimmune issues are, everything from type 2 diabetes, arthritis (in fact most 'itis' you can think), many IBS have autoimmune components, and even many cases of obesity are due to autoimmune issues.

And why do you think the vaccines are not the culprit? If a virus can cause autoimmune issues, so can a vaccine. In fact, the reason vaccines are more likely to cause autoimmune issues is they stimulate your immune system in a way they should not. A natural course for a virus involves invading through your mucosal membranes - either in the nose, throat, lungs, digestive tract, or genitals. Vaccines bypass this, and stimulate systemic immunity directly, the most inflammatory form of immunity. Things go wrong when systemic immunity is stimulated, leading to autoimmune conditions.
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Old 02-07-2022, 02:54 AM
 
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I read somewhere that polio was declining by the time the polio vax came out and took credit for ending the pandemic.

I won't worry about getting a tetanus shot now. I was hesitating because it's been bundled with other shots and I couldn't get it separately anyway.
Yes, Polio was declining, as was smallpox and measles, and all these things we vaccinate for.

In parts of Africa and southwest Asia, Polio was on the decline until Bill Gates decided to try and eradicate, now the majority of Polio in these parts is from the vaccine.

While vaccines have a use, they are quite frankly overblown, and now overused for sure. The things that saved us from diseases is modern engineering and antibiotics. Vaccines had a much more limited role.

In sub saharan Africa, organizations like GAVI are flooding them with vaccines, but death rates from diseases are high due in part to poor hygiene and engineering.
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