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Old 02-08-2022, 05:35 PM
 
Location: Stillwater, Oklahoma
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I'm astonished at how the left has bottomless compassion for drug users, but wants to banish unvaccinated healthy people from society. It's really weird. Drug users clog up ERs, monopolize EMTs, spread disease, and completely ruin entire communities. Their damage lasts for generations. They defecate on the streets, commit crimes while high, abuse their children, and leave their filthy needles all over the place. The source of these drugs--cartels--are some of the most murderous disgusting human beings on the planet and the drug addicts only make them more powerful. But the left has a big warm bleeding heart for them.

Unlike the infection curve of a respiratory virus, addiction can just spread and spread and spread...So definitely free crack pipes. Sounds like a wonderful plan. Make sure you mask up and show your vax ID to qualify....
Since you're so concerned about how bad drug addicts are, do you want your taxes raised to provide funding to build new prisons to put them in for years as punishment?

By the way, Republicans in Oklahoma, not the left, were behind the law changes that made it harder to go to prison or jail for drug possession, especially for longer than a year. Possession Of methamphetamine in Oklahoma is now a misdemeanor, rather than a felony. If convicted, you could spend up to only one year in jail and pay a fine of up to $1,000. Oklahoma simply didn't have the willing tax dollars to keep on trying to imprison away its drug problems.
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Old 02-08-2022, 05:36 PM
 
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Bunch of drug enablers in this thread including a so called mod. The sterile needles and shoot up safe zones worked out so well large swaths of cities are turning into zombie land. Not a good time to bring back free crack pipes.
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Old 02-08-2022, 05:39 PM
 
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Since you're so concerned about how bad drug addicts are, do you want your taxes raised to provide funding to build new prisons to put them in for years as punishment?

By the way, Republicans in Oklahoma, not the left, were behind the law changes that made it harder to go to prison for drug possession. Possession Of methamphetamine in Oklahoma is now a misdemeanor, rather than a felony. If convicted, you could spend up to only one year in jail and pay a fine of up to $1,000.
Why is your reaction to whatever issue is being discussed to throw everyone in jail?
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Old 02-08-2022, 05:46 PM
 
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Except that hasn't happened yet. And we still treat it like a criminal problem overcrowding prisons for what is essentially a health crisis.
Yes so let’s keep giving addicts the tools to turn it into an even bigger health crisis.
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Old 02-08-2022, 05:55 PM
 
Location: NY
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No, the only astonished thing is the level of some of the C-D members knowledge and inability to think in an organized and rational manner in order to understand connections between ideas and/or facts.
I live in a place where I can't enter public spaces because I am a 'disease vector,' or so they say, but I have to step over junkies and fund their paraphernalia with my tax dollars. The connection seems obvious. People might try having a fraction of the compassion and empathy toward those who abstain from mRNA drugs as they do toward someone who uses meth.

I have dealt with nothing but hatred and stigma because I don't want mRNA drugs--stigma that has been fueled by the Biden administration, who is now giving out crack pipes and displaying boundless compassion for junkies? Amazing. I thought his patience was wearing thin for people who don't do the right thing?

Maybe since purging misinformation is a thing now, we should censor all of the musicians who glorify drugs? They should be removed from Spotify---to save lives, of course.
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Old 02-08-2022, 06:00 PM
 
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Big difference.

On the street, they are succeptable to overdose, and taking drugs mixed with harmful characters.
But in a controlled facility, they can recieve a safe dose with medical staff monitoring them and people intervening and providing resources for help.
One thing you gotta understand about addiction is that it is less to do with the substance and more to do with the fact that addiction is more of a mental condition. More of a symptom of a larger mental issue.
if it isn't hard street drugs, it's gonna food, gambling, sex, porn, or etc. They're gonna find a coping mechanism, and the mechanism can potentially be debilitating.
Can we get a controlled facility with professional staff that hands out vitamins and organic apples? Thanks.

Signed,
Taxpayer who wants my money back.

PS. Not buying what the new poster is selling.
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Old 02-08-2022, 06:14 PM
 
Location: NY
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Just pointing out something other countries have done and it worked.


https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=C8AHODc6phg

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=wJUXLqNHCaI&t=290s
I watched the first video and I actually agree with the premise. It made me wonder how many new drug addicts the public health experts have created due to the covid policies, which have isolated and atomized everyone.

However, I still can't see the wisdom of the current decriminalization and enabling that is taking place, like providing them with the tools to use. Drug addicts need to be in rehab. They cannot be allowed to use in the open air, or lying there in the streets like zombies urinating and defecating--and committing crimes to fuel their habit.
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Old 02-08-2022, 06:25 PM
 
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Big difference.


On the street, they are succeptable to overdose, and taking drugs mixed with harmful characters.


But in a controlled facility, they can recieve a safe dose with medical staff monitoring them and people intervening and providing resources for help.


One thing you gotta understand about addiction is that it is less to do with the substance and more to do with the fact that addiction is more of a mental condition. More of a symptom of a larger mental issue.


if it isn't hard street drugs, it's gonna food, gambling, sex, porn, or etc. They're gonna find a coping mechanism, and the mechanism can potentially be debilitating.
This take is hilarious. By making it easy for drug addicts to take drugs (otherwise known as enabling), the person's life will deteriorate faster, and they will eventually get sick and die. Is that the intended outcome maybe? Maybe the hospitals are sick of hosting them and this is the solution. Nothing would surprise me at this point.
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Old 02-08-2022, 06:30 PM
 
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Because the demographic is overwhelmingly white and young. Parents are seeing their kids dying and it has gotten worse and worse over time. Pandemic hasn’t helped things.
There are calls for action and not much has worked.
https://www.pewresearch.org/fact-tan...n-the-hardest/

Not sure if this is a good program, so I’m not defending it.
We will see if the death rate starts to decline.
I don’t think American wants these kids dying, even if they are to blame.
You seem to have the wrong demographic.

"Applicants for the program get priority if they serve 'underserved communities,' such as African Americans or Native Americans, or LGBTQ people.

The crack-cocaine epidemic starting in the 1980s disproportionately ravaged the black community."

The $30 million grant program, which accepted applications until Monday and will begin doling out money in May, intends to provide funds to nonprofits and local governments to make drug use safer, to advance 'racial equity.'

It is against the law to sell or distribute drug paraphernalia - including such pipes - unless authorized by state, local or federal law".
https://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/art...al-equity.html

Who was it that said no one was above the law? If Brandon says it Ok, then it's ok? Some of the dumbest reasoning I have heard.
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Old 02-08-2022, 06:36 PM
 
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This take is hilarious. By making it easy for drug addicts to take drugs (otherwise known as enabling), the person's life will deteriorate faster, and they will eventually get sick and die. Is that the intended outcome maybe? Maybe the hospitals are sick of hosting them and this is the solution. Nothing would surprise me at this point.
I often wonder when "programs" like this come out, if the intention is to increase drug use.

Because that's the outcome.

If they wanted to decrease drug use, they'd take the money and build rehab centers for long-term rehab with job retraining and placement.

But handing out crack pipes ... great way to improve public health.
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