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The liberals in the media seem to be very apologetic and sympathetic about Eileen Gu, a Chinese American born in the US who took on Chinese citizenship (probably renouncing her American citizenship) and is now competing for Communist China in various events. How this makes me feel personally is probably how loyal American Muslims felt about those who danced in the streets on 9-11 and supported ISIS and al-Qaeda over the USA.
I am a native born American. My pride is centered on being American and being Southern. I fly the American flag, the Confederate flag, and the Louisiana fleur-de-lis in my home to represent my pride and culture, not the Chinese flag, even though my ancestry is from China and Taiwan. All of my grandparents escaped communism and socialism in China. My parents came to the US with nothing and our family has achieved the American Dream. My color has never mattered to me and has never hindered me, despite what liberals believe.
As an Asian American, I feel that Eileen Gu and the other Chinese Americans who are competing for China are a stain on our community and does not reflect the vast majority of Asian Americans, most of whom have our undivided loyalty to the USA and to the USA alone. What Gu and the others have done is disgraceful and treasonous. She should be stripped of her U.S. citizenship (if she hasn't renounced it already the way Chinese law requires) and never be allowed back into this country. If she ever wants to come back, she needs to be in the VERY back of the line, behind even the Dreamers and other illegal aliens and refugees.
Pride in ethnicity and heritage aside, I will always support the U.S. over China when in a trade war, a shooting war, or in sports. It makes me uncomfortable quite frankly having people living in this country whose first loyalty is not to the U.S. who are still able to vote in our elections and donate money to political candidates. And no the Olympics are not "just a game". Its a window into someone's national loyalty. Someone who cheers for a foreign nation against Team USA will probably support that nation against the U.S. in a war or in trade agreements and other foreign relations, and care more about that nation's interests than America's.
I voted for Trump twice and can't wait to vote for him again, and supported his efforts to renegotiate the unfair trade agreements we have with China. I don't think China should ever have been allowed into the WTO as this (along with NAFTA which again is supported by some Mexican Americans who put Mexican interests first) has devastated American manufacturing and led to the decline of the Rust Belt. I hold China and its government 100% responsible for the pandemic unlike liberals who would rather blame Trump and Republicans for it.
The community itself is the stain. Are you kidding me?
Our own govt is trying to normalize a freak like the one they picked to head up or work in DEP nuclear division or something.
Wait... you say you're a proud American, but fly the flag of the traitors that went to war with the United States? Specifically to keep minorities in chains? And somehow you see no irony in that, especially being a minority yourself? And you're here to pontificate about how others should feel about some random skiier who most people probably have never heard of, or how because you've never had problems yourself, other minorities must really not either? Pffttt... I can see why you're a Trump supporter. Just as oblivious to history and reality as the rest of them, and yet comforted in those delusions by the wrap of faux patriotism and one's own privilege.
I'm also very proud to be from the South. Just because the liberal media says the Confederate flag is racist doesn't make it so. In addition to being American, being Southern is part of my identity as well. The Confederate flag represents the South and a rural lifestyle. Further shows that identity is not all centered on race.
in fact the cancel culture regarding the rebel flag is reminiscent of Communist China. My grandparents fought against Mao Zedong and the commies before 1949 and had to escape from China. In China today there is no commemoration of the nationalists and the state education system totally villainies them. When my parents first settled in the U.S. in Louisiana they were surprised that there was the Sons of Confederate Veterans and the United Daughters of the Confederacy, this kind of thing would never be tolerated in Communist China and it showed the free nature of the USA. I also grew up not brainwashed, and assimilated into Southern culture to the point where my color doesn't have to be an issue. America certainly deserves our loyalty, not China.
Yet TODAY, all this cancel culture regarding statues and monuments and the rebel flag is more and more reminiscent of the thought police and re-education efforts that are typical in a socialist revolution. This is the kind of thing that Mao Zedong supported in China as he came to power. As Americans we must recognize how fragile our democracy is and make sure our government always knows its place and remembers that it serves us not the other way around. 4 years after the Tiannamen Square massacre in Beijing, the U.S. federal government carried out the Waco Massacre in Texas sending tanks against American civilians and burning women and children alive with flame throwers and RPGs so our freedom is always very fragile and the leftists in the US are capable of the same evil.
Are they actually skiing next to a nuclear power plant in China? How'd they manage to build a ski ramp next to a 288 ft. nuclear power plant? This looks too odd. Think of all the poison they'll be inhaling. U.S.A. was in 10th place overall medal winners. The last one I saw was Chloe Kim in the Half Pipe competition. She won the Gold medal. All over the news. I wonder how many people are keeping up with the Olympics? I would think most people are more in tuned to CNN or Fox news for the latest update on the coronavirus. I'd like to find out how many people in America tuned in to watch the Olympics in China.
She made a ton of money in China. What would she have gotten in the USA? She's not the right color to be a POC, so no endorsements there. With the current hated of Chinese people in the USA, I applaud her decision.
'Woke' sites like Reddit, that ban videos of Black people commiting violent acts (r/publicfreakouts), yet allow casual racism against Chinese (they're a vile people with disgusting culture).
Attacks on Asians and no one cares except to say we need more mental health, as though the assistants were the victims.
I'm also very proud to be from the South. Just because the liberal media says the Confederate flag is racist doesn't make it so. In addition to being American, being Southern is part of my identity as well. The Confederate flag represents the South and a rural lifestyle. Further shows that identity is not all centered on race.
in fact the cancel culture regarding the rebel flag is reminiscent of Communist China. My grandparents fought against Mao Zedong and the commies before 1949 and had to escape from China. In China today there is no commemoration of the nationalists and the state education system totally villainies them. When my parents first settled in the U.S. in Louisiana they were surprised that there was the Sons of Confederate Veterans and the United Daughters of the Confederacy, this kind of thing would never be tolerated in Communist China and it showed the free nature of the USA. I also grew up not brainwashed, and assimilated into Southern culture to the point where my color doesn't have to be an issue. America certainly deserves our loyalty, not China.
Yet TODAY, all this cancel culture regarding statues and monuments and the rebel flag is more and more reminiscent of the thought police and re-education efforts that are typical in a socialist revolution. This is the kind of thing that Mao Zedong supported in China as he came to power. As Americans we must recognize how fragile our democracy is and make sure our government always knows its place and remembers that it serves us not the other way around. 4 years after the Tiannamen Square massacre in Beijing, the U.S. federal government carried out the Waco Massacre in Texas sending tanks against American civilians and burning women and children alive with flame throwers and RPGs so our freedom is always very fragile and the leftists in the US are capable of the same evil.
I noticed that you always take time and efforts to express your point of view. When you need to deal with hostile or confrontational people, strengthen your position by utilizing assertive communication skills. This shows integrity. So bravo!
In term of confederate flag. I don't display that flag, but I have friends who do. They do so as a representation of their pride from being from the south, not because they support the KKK or other racists. My fiance's family lost several members in the civil war, (they fought for the south) they don't fly the flag, but they do remember them as loved ones that they have lost. For the friends who fly that flag, I don't pass judgment on that, because that is their own business. I love them and they love me, and I KNOW for a fact that they love the country, and I have no reasons to doubt them simply because the flag is controversial.
My best friend had ancestors who fought on both sides of the American Civil War. The ones who fought on the Confederate side did so because their homes were in a war zone and felt compelled to defend them, not because of slavery. He also understands that the flag is used by many racist groups today. He only displays it when he was overseas in a battle field. He told me he did that because he was a southern fighter, no more/less. No, he doesn't enjoy killing brown people for the sake of it.
I think it is important to know people's heart. I always think flags have different meanings to different people and the history of the Confederacy and Civil War are complex subjects. If someone ells you that only a racist would fly the Confederate flag, that person is not very open minded or too blinded by hate to deal with a nuanced reality.
I have accepted the fact that this flag is a hurtful symbol to many of my fellow Americans, but I also accepted the fact that my friends who display that flag try to be as welcoming as they can to anybody, regardless what race they are. If after all that, they are still called racists or white supremacists, I think the word racist and the term white supremacist has lost a great deal if its meaning.
since this thread is about Gu, I don't pass any judgment on her either. I think she is merely just an opportunist, (and by saying that, I don't mean anything negative) nothing more/less. We just need to stop glorifying or demonizing her. Many athletes play for their parents' country She is not the first one, and won't be the last.
By the way, like I said earlier, I have a good friend who used to be in a special force unit in the Marine Corps. He went to China to teach Self-defense. He even dated several Chinese women and had a great time over there.
In a casual conversation, I remember somebody asked him, "If there is a war between China and the U.S., who will you fight for?" My friend said, "Let's just put it this way, if there is a Chinese start trouble in my country (The u.s.) that is a dead Chi*k to me." There you have it, patriotism is from the heart. Just because he made some money in China, doesn't mean that he stopped being an American. He is an American, always and forever. It is in his blood. So I am willing to give Gu benefit of the doubt. Even if she decided to be loyal to China, that is her choice too. Just pick a team and stay there, that's it. Not very complicated.
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I noticed that you always take time and efforts to express your point of view. When you need to deal with hostile or confrontational people, strengthen your position by utilizing assertive communication skills. This shows integrity. So bravo!
In term of confederate flag. I don't display that flag, but I have friends who do. They do so as a representation of their pride from being from the south, not because they support the KKK or other racists. My fiance's family lost several members in the civil war, (they fought for the south) they don't fly the flag, but they do remember them as loved ones that they have lost. For the friends who fly that flag, I don't pass judgment on that, because that is their own business. I love them and they love me, and I KNOW for a fact that they love the country, and I have no reasons to doubt them simply because the flag is controversial.
My best friend had ancestors who fought on both sides of the American Civil War. The ones who fought on the Confederate side did so because their homes were in a war zone and felt compelled to defend them, not because of slavery. He also understands that the flag is used by many racist groups today. He only displays it when he was overseas in a battle field. He told me he did that because he was a southern fighter, no more/less. No, he doesn't enjoy killing brown people for the sake of it.
I think it is important to know people's heart. I always think flags have different meanings to different people and the history of the Confederacy and Civil War are complex subjects. If someone ells you that only a racist would fly the Confederate flag, that person is not very open minded or too blinded by hate to deal with a nuanced reality.
I have accepted the fact that this flag is a hurtful symbol to many of my fellow Americans, but I also accepted the fact that my friends who display that flag try to be as welcoming as they can to anybody, regardless what race they are. If after all that, they are still called racists or white supremacists, I think the word racist and the term white supremacist has lost a great deal if its meaning.
since this thread is about Gu, I don't pass any judgment on her either. I think she is merely just an opportunist, (and by saying that, I don't mean anything negative) nothing more/less. We just need to stop glorifying or demonizing her. Many athletes play for their parents' country She is not the first one, and won't be the last.
By the way, like I said earlier, I have a good friend who used to be in a special force unit in the Marine Corps. He went to China to teach Self-defense. He even dated several Chinese women and had a great time over there.
In a casual conversation, I remember somebody asked him, "If there is a war between China and the U.S., who will you fight for?" My friend said, "Let's just put it this way, if there is a Chinese start trouble in my country (The u.s.) that is a dead Chi*k to me." There you have it, patriotism is from the heart. Just because he made some money in China, doesn't mean that he stopped being an American. He is an American, always and forever. It is in his blood. So I am willing to give Gu benefit of the doubt. Even if she decided to be loyal to China, that is her choice too. Just pick a team and stay there, that's it. Not very complicated.
I agree. Gu will likely reach the 100 million mark in Chinese endorsements.
But would the mother have allowed her daughter to compete for China if an opportunity to earn the huge bucks wasn't there? Suppose the serious money was in US endorsement deals? Would Gu still be competing for China instead of the US? My guess is not likely. The potential to earn an astronomical sum of money in China was too good to pass up.
As far as the Chinese government in concerned: As long as Gu avoids saying anything controversial and sticks to babbling about peace, harmony and bringing the world together. It's all good.
As far as the Chinese government in concerned: As long as Gu avoids saying anything controversial and sticks to babbling about peace, harmony and bringing the world together. It's all good.
Morally, each of us have obligations to the country, whatever it is. Where else can you go? And even if you leave, would the new country and her people accept you? You do not know.
Yes, Eileen Gu is not US property. But what have China done FOR her? She cannot even answer that for herself. All she can do is said something nebulous about her 'feelings' for China and Chinese culture. The Chinese are laughing their @55es off at this silly and naive American. China and the Chinese people have done NOTHING for Eileen Gu, but all it took is a few million dollars and they got a talented athlete to bring prestige for China.
Not everything is transactional, but most people would consider a few million dollars a good example of doing something FOR someone.
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So basically, Eileen Gu has done more for China than the other way around.
Even if that is true, as long as Eileen Gu is fine with that, why should you care?
The Chinese government has signaled that it will also not tolerate protests from foreign athletes during the Games. In mid-January, a member of China's Olympic organizing committee warned athletes against saying anything that is "against the Olympic spirit, especially against Chinese laws and regulations," and warned that doing so could result in punishment. International human rights groups have advised athletes to remain silent while in Beijing, and to not expect the IOC to protect them if they find themselves in trouble with the Chinese government. Sport organizers in the U.S. also warned athletes who are headed to Beijing not to say anything that could be considered controversial before or during the Games. https://www.espn.com/olympics/story/...g-act-china-us
I"m an American and I'm not down on Eileen Gu. From a financial point of view it was a brilliant decision. She went for the gold and she got it--and I'm not referring to the medal.
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