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Old 02-10-2022, 07:56 AM
 
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I’d ration gasoline, outlaw plastic packaging, bottled water and flaring.

There has to be some money to be made off windmills because some Chinese are buying ranch land in the Big Bend to build wind mill farms.
So manufacture a dozen other problems in order to implement a solution to a problem that doesn't exist. Typical Government - more solutions than problems, so manufacture a problem. And incinerate value and quality of life in the process. Hard Pass.
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Old 02-10-2022, 08:08 AM
 
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So manufacture a dozen other problems in order to implement a solution to a problem that doesn't exist. Typical Government - more solutions than problems, so manufacture a problem. And incinerate value and quality of life in the process. Hard Pass.



That's how socialists think. The Chicoms just stated killing sparrows which resulted in famines and death.


They cannot think dynamically and cannot solve complex problems. They will kill with malice and/or incompetence.
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Old 02-10-2022, 08:20 AM
 
Location: Western PA
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If you want to know why Biden, the democrats and even auto companies are "pushing" a transition to electric vehicles, you need do nothing else than read what oil drilling companies themselves are saying about the prospects of future oil production in US shale deposits.

Shale deposits have been a boom for US production in the past 10-15 years, but like production from conventional oil fields, you cannot expect it to last forever.

Democrats and liberals around the world - as well as the auto companies themselves - recognize the reality that someday we're going to have to learn to use something other than oil to power our vehicles. Conservatives seem to be stuck in a happy-go-lucky-with-blinders-on mindset that the future can be postponed indefinitely.

An article in the WSJ from last week offered an excellent overview of the reality of the situation. The article was not relying on pronouncements from democrats or policy makers about prospects for US oil production ... but was instead relying on statements from oil drilling companies themselves to demonstrate that the end of the shale boom is in sight.

Oil Frackers Brace for End of the U.S. Shale Boom


The article is behind a paywall but here are some highlights:

-- All of the largest shale/fracker drillers acknowledge they cannot raise production growth the way they could early in the boom. Pioneer Natural Resources, for example, is only planning to increase output by 5% a year for the future, whereas during the peak years it was able to raise production by between 19% and 27% per year.
-- Five of the largest shale companies - EOG Resources Inc., Devon Energy Corp. , Diamondback Energy Inc., Continental Resources Inc. and Marathon Oil Corp. - have about a decade or more of profitable well sites at their current drilling pace. If they tried to raise production by 15% a year that inventory would only last about 6 years.
-- The only US shale deposit that still has lots of longer-term development potential is the Permian Basin in west Texas. The Bakken in ND and the Eagle Ford shale in south Texas are already pretty much maxed out.

Instead of blaming democrats, liberals or some nefarious conspiracy for trying to get you to switch to an electric vehicle, you should be blaming ... geology.

There are other large shale deposits elsewhere in the world that have, to date, largely been untapped. However, since those are in other nations, we have no control over whether they get developed or not. And in any case, even if they did get fully developed we would once again have to rely predominantly on oil imports, as we did for some decades before the shale revolution.

yes and no, which is why the entire article is not quoted. It takes a certain price per barrel to make fracking worthwhile - its not a FREE process. The more you frack, the more supply goes up, the lower the price goes, the less return. If oil stays above 50 - and the WH has stated it wants it to stabilize 100-110 per barrel, then fracking is very cost competitive and no one knows what the reserves are at that cost. BUT! fracking is outlawed in most places now so regardless of prices, it will not increase.


If the US stopped importing, stopped exporting and had permission to use its resources, there would be ample supply for vehicles until the damn things ran on dilithium crystals. we need to hang in there till very early 1/2025 to fix this.
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Old 02-10-2022, 08:26 AM
 
Location: Minnysoda
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Here is another synopsis of the article somebody made on Seeking Alpha:

End of the boom in sight for U.S. shale drillers - WSJ analysis
I see no mention of the increased cost and outright ban of fracking driven by crazy Dem. rules.


https://e360.yale.edu/digest/regulat...iver-watershed

https://ktla.com/news/three-years-be...cking-permits/


https://www.barrons.com/articles/why...le-51635439006
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Old 02-10-2022, 08:30 AM
 
Location: Minnysoda
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I’d ration gasoline, outlaw plastic packaging, bottled water and flaring.

There has to be some money to be made off windmills because some Chinese are buying ranch land in the Big Bend to build wind mill farms.




Just ask the French! They have been ripping the US off for wind projects for years......In the meantime France runs off Nukes.....

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Nuclear_power_in_France

Nuclear power is the largest source of electricity in France, with a generation of 379.5 TWh, or 70.6% of the country's total electricity production of 537.7 TWh,[1] the highest percentage in the world.[2] Since June of 2020, it has 56 operable reactors totalling 61,370 MWe, one under construction (1630 MWe), and 14 shut down or in decommissioning (5,549 MWe).



https://www.edf-re.com/
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Old 02-10-2022, 08:59 AM
 
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It might also help to create nuclear energy platforms not inspired by bombs.
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Old 02-10-2022, 09:10 AM
 
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It might also help to create nuclear energy platforms not inspired by bombs.
They exist, but the minute you say "nuclear power" you get a bunch of knee-jerk anti-science types that won't let you build a new one regardless.

Instead they commit to shutting down major sources of CO2 free electricity and then just burning natural gas instead because solar and wind can't fill the gap....all while screaming that we're at an irreversible tipping point and have to reduce CO2 now.

I love renewable energy, energy independence, clean air etc. but with some of these folks it's like taking a kid to Disney and only have time for 4 things and they want to do everything and can't grasp where reality and their dreams don't intersect.
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Old 02-10-2022, 09:12 AM
 
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So manufacture a dozen other problems in order to implement a solution to a problem that doesn't exist. Typical Government - more solutions than problems, so manufacture a problem. And incinerate value and quality of life in the process. Hard Pass.
Haven't not fallen from a turnip truck, and having a vague childhood memory of ration books and how people dealt with shortages, I considered ramifications and bureaucracy.

The difference between then and now is that then people cared about the nation and each other. And they gave a thought as to where consumer goods came from.

Not now. The party of personal responsibility does not give a tinkers damn about the common good. If they want to commute 30 miles each way to an office job in their gas guzzling vehicle while driving 75 MPH and throwing plastic water bottles out the window they do have that right.

So burn that gasoline. And keep the home air condition set on 68, all the while creating more demand. And the oil companies will fill that demand while also filling their pockets and stock prices. Citizens can ***** about prices and blame the POTUS.
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Old 02-10-2022, 09:24 AM
 
Location: NJ
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1970s same people warned we were running out of oil within a decade.

WSJ has not been forthcoming with honest reporting, couple that with the news about fracking and we have serious doubts.

Knowing how wordsmithing plays a big part in media announcements of socialist government's narrative, suspect that fracking restrictions are limiting oil production, not lack of shale oil.
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Old 02-10-2022, 09:30 AM
 
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Haven't not fallen from a turnip truck, and having a vague childhood memory of ration books and how people dealt with shortages, I considered ramifications and bureaucracy.

The difference between then and now is that then people cared about the nation and each other. And they gave a thought as to where consumer goods came from.

Not now. The party of personal responsibility does not give a tinkers damn about the common good. If they want to commute 30 miles each way to an office job in their gas guzzling vehicle while driving 75 MPH and throwing plastic water bottles out the window they do have that right.

So burn that gasoline. And keep the home air condition set on 68, all the while creating more demand. And the oil companies will fill that demand while also filling their pockets and stock prices. Citizens can ***** about prices and blame the POTUS.
More people have been murdered and more wealth destroyed in the name of the "common good" (which is whatever some political hack arbitrarily decides returns them the most power) than every other externality combined. Mao alone murdered 11 million of his own people declaring war on a bird. 11 million people, for reference, is the population of the Los Angeles Metro Area. Sorry, anything the Government touches turns to ****. Simple as that.

If oil becomes too expensive and we find a viable and cheaper alternative, the market will naturally shift toward that alternative. Government Meddling(TM) contributes absolutely nothing to that process while incinerating billions of MY money.
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