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Old 02-13-2022, 11:34 AM
 
Location: Arizona
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Wrong and by a 100 miles. When the Soviet Union fell in 1991 , We (U.S. and NATO)promised them that We wouldn't push to their borders. NATO started with 16 countries and now is 30 members and getting closer and closer to Russia's borders and arming former Soviet members to the teeth and corrupting them against Russia. See Biden's corruption in Ukraine.

Imagine if China does the same thing on us and arms countries to be against us and builds up their military in Canada and Mexico, how would We react? Can you say WW 3.
No one knows the true reason why Putin is amassing 100k forces on the Ukraine border its all specualtion at this point.

I was just throwing out ideas why he might be considering it. The most likely is NATO expansion Ukraine has always been like a little sister to Russia so naturally Russia is very protective of it and any outside influence.
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Old 02-13-2022, 11:49 AM
 
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Putin would like the old Soviet system where they controlled much land outside Russia. It served as the buffer zone from the west. The closer ties of many of these lands to the west with many now members of NATO makes them nervous. Ukraine is not a NATO member and there are no present plans to change that. Putin however does not like that the pro Russian president Viktor Fedorovych Yanukovych was removed from office back in 2014 and Russia no longer controls Ukraine. Yanukoych was basically a Russian puppet and now lives as an exile in Russia. Shortly after he was removed from office, Russia attacked the Crimea region of Ukraine and later annexed it. It had strategic significance being on the Black Sea. Many experts think that Putin may attack the Ukraine again in order to put a puppet back in office that would be controlled by Russia.
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Old 02-13-2022, 11:52 AM
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Not exactly. It is about land, but not in the way you think.

When you invade, you need a reason. Oil? Territorial expansion? Gold? Women? What?

But in this case, what Putin want for Russia is Ukraine as geopolitical buffer. In other words, he want a stretch of land that a NATO army must cross BEFORE they can get to Russia. Putin can claim that it is about some Russians living in Ukraine that he must protect, but no one, not even Russians themselves, believes that reason. Nevertheless, Putin must give the world something other than 'geopolitical buffer' as reason.
Yes. He wants Ukraine poor and weak and as a barrier. He's done the same thing in Georgia, Moldova, Armenia, Azerbaijan. Belorus has done it to themselves. He has tried to do it in Estonia and Latvia, but failed.
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Old 02-13-2022, 11:53 AM
 
Location: Manchester NH
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Well, reading this thread won't help.
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Old 02-13-2022, 11:56 AM
 
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Because Russia has the most nukes in the world.

They don't need a military power, all they need is a button with the word "nuke" on it.

That's silly. We have nukes and NATO countries have nukes. That means Russia is going to blow up the world with them included? Yeah, a nice war mongering talking points to keep the money flowing and make a few % from society very rich.
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Old 02-13-2022, 11:57 AM
 
Location: Honolulu, HI
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What is so special about the Ukraine?
Under the current pro-Western administration, the Ukraine became the poorest and the most undeveloped country in Europe.
You literally answered your own question.

An inspiring world power always picks the low hanging fruit first.
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Old 02-13-2022, 12:03 PM
 
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What exactly is this war going to be over? Land?
Obama doesn't respect democracy (look at the new evidence from the Durham probe) and he pushed a coup in Ukraine overthrowing a democratically elected government that was neutral and installed an anti-Russian government.

Russia had strategic interests militarily and economically inside of Ukraine, like the Sevastopol navu base and oil pipelines, which immediately put Russia at odds with Ukraine.

NATO has been expanding eastward and Russia doesn't want to see that continue into Ukraine.
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Old 02-13-2022, 12:08 PM
 
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Putin would like the old Soviet system where they controlled much land outside Russia. It served as the buffer zone from the west. The closer ties of many of these lands to the west with many now members of NATO makes them nervous. Ukraine is not a NATO member and there are no present plans to change that. Putin however does not like that the pro Russian president Viktor Fedorovych Yanukovych was removed from office back in 2014 and Russia no longer controls Ukraine. Yanukoych was basically a Russian puppet and now lives as an exile in Russia. Shortly after he was removed from office, Russia attacked the Crimea region of Ukraine and later annexed it. It had strategic significance being on the Black Sea. Many experts think that Putin may attack the Ukraine again in order to put a puppet back in office that would be controlled by Russia.

Wrong analogy. Russian annexed parts that the people are PRO Russia and wants to be part of Russia not the American corrupt puppet governments. Just like Texas and California used to be belong to Mexico but many residents wanted to be part of the U.S.

Even if California and Texas breaks with the U.S., they rather be under the U.S. in good terms than Mexico.

Putin is not going to invade zones that are anti-Russian and start WW 3 with NATO. He will take the places that the people want him there not a small group of elites that have been bought out by the U.S.
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Old 02-13-2022, 12:08 PM
 
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That's silly. We have nukes and NATO countries have nukes. That means Russia is going to blow up the world with them included?
Yes.

Russia has demonstrated they don't play by any rules. They have nothing to lose, that's what makes them so dangerous. They have no morals or ethics.

They literally purged their own military officers while Hitler was invading them, that's how crazy they are.
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Old 02-13-2022, 12:14 PM
 
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NATO has been expanding eastward and Russia doesn't want to see that continue into Ukraine.
That is a sensible request but NATO knows they have the economy and numbers and won't stop. If it was the another way around and a rival expands to Canada and Mexico, you think we will be passive? Look how We acted during the Cuban missile crisis and this is after the U.S. invaded Cuba to overthrow their government (act of war) and put the same missiles against the Soviet Union in Europe before the Soviets put theirs in Cuba that brought the crisis to a head.
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