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Old 02-13-2022, 03:14 PM
 
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Good for them to make a stand but for their own sake I hope none of them dares to fly the Confederate flag or Biden just might join up with Putin to take out the White Supremacists!


Why can't we just stay out of this boiling mess and let the UN and EU handle it?
lol why would Ukrainians fly the confederate flag?
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Old 02-13-2022, 03:18 PM
 
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Russia shouldn't invade. However, you used the word aggression. Was it aggression if the US had a coup of a democratically elected government in Ukraine back in 2014?
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Old 02-13-2022, 03:20 PM
 
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Russia shouldn't invade. However, you used the word aggression. Was it aggression if the US had a coup of a democratically elected government in Ukraine back in 2014?
Please read the OP. It is drenched with sarcasm.
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Old 02-13-2022, 03:26 PM
 
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https://www.aljazeera.com/news/2022/...ian-war-threat

Very brave for the people of free and democratic country against brutal dictatorship.

But I wanted to ask the insightful Americans something. I am colorblind, but these flags look different. I think some of them are not only blue and yellow, but black and red.

What is this suppose to mean? Why are the protesters holding up black and red flags?

Please help, any info will be much appreciated. No one on the media is saying anything, they just show the footage.

What could this possibly mean?!?!?!?!?



You looking at two colors.
Original golden and blue color - golden fields of wheat under the blues skies.
Red and black is nationalists flag. Normally, referred to as banderivtsi, ounivtsi, UPA. Banderivtsi in honors of Stepan Bandera. Ounivtsi per OUN - Organizatsiya Ukrainskyh Nattsionalistiv, Organization of Ukrainian Nationalists. UPA - Ukrayinska Povstancha Armiya, Ukrainian Rebel Army.
Historically, those are 3 western states - Lviv, Ternopil and Ivano Frakivsk regions.


There is nothing particularly brave with another demonstration. Don't hold your breath
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Old 02-13-2022, 03:26 PM
 
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lol why would Ukrainians fly the confederate flag?

They wouldn't.

But initially the "Easterners" were thinking about something very similar, while trying to break away from Kiev.

Whether it was a mere coincidence or not - that I don't know.
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Old 02-13-2022, 03:32 PM
 
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Didn’t the Nazis wanna kill Ukrainians too(we’ll at the time they were Russian).

Ultimately yes they did.
But at the same time, they didn't mind using them as collaborators, and Western Ukrainians were all happy to oblige.



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It’s so weird. Like a black dude with a confederate flag.

You can say that.

Except for the bleating idiots refuse to think that they were used by the German war machine back then, and are used by America for her own purposes now.
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Old 02-13-2022, 03:38 PM
 
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No one will care, but here's prediction to what will happen in the Ukraine and region.


So far, blueprint of the Russia/Georgia conflict is followed. 2008. Specifically, Georgia initiated provocation against Russia on 8/8/2008. Then French Prime Sarkozi flew to Georgia and Georgia was forced to accept peace.


Here's intelligence prediction for 2022.


On 2/22/2022, Ukraine will initiate provocation against one of the separatist republics. Date is based on when the mutual Russia/Belarus military games are supposed to end - 2/20/2022. 2 days is required for the troops to restock and regroup.


In response to provocation, Russian MARINE desant will enter five southern Ukraine regions. Reason being, at the moment, Russia has EVERY SINGLE ONE of itsa marine desant ships in the Black Sea, doing some training. Every single one they could scramble for.



Operation will be similar to restoration of law and order in Kazakhjstan, when 72 desant planes were used to bring airborn desant troops to the country, to take over the strategic objects.


As the result of this operation, Macron will fly to Ukraine and Ukraine will agree to peace.


Five southern regions will join Crimea Republic, to, later, become the New Khazaria and land for exodus from Israel.



2 separatist regions will join Russia.


4 western states will go back under west. Maybe few more of them, adjacent.


Central Ukraine will be "historical Malorossiya", country of no significance.



That is verbatim from a very smart intelligence retiree from Russia, who is practicing the third, highest level of the military intelligence.


Mark day and time.
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Old 02-14-2022, 04:49 AM
 
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Russia shouldn't invade. However, you used the word aggression. Was it aggression if the US had a coup of a democratically elected government in Ukraine back in 2014?
Nobody wants a war, and a Russian invasion of Ukraine could see a lot of body bags going back to Moscow, as Ukraine is not a small country and has a regular army of 215,000 and a further 250,000 in the Army reserve.

These troops have been supplied with western weapons over the last decade, and have lots of anti-tank missiles and anti aircraft missiles, and they are already dug in.

Whilst even if Russia were to occupy the country, there will be a resistance movement which could mean a never ending supply of body bags going back to Moscow.

At the same time NATO would see new members join such as Sweden and Finland, and a lot more NATO troops would be based on the Russian border, and NATO would be re-united and more concentrated in relation to increasing spending.

The Russian economy, which is already suffering, would be reduced further and would find it impossible to trade or supply the west, resulting in Russia becoming ever poorer.

The video below spells out why it would be a bad decision to invade Ukraine and that it would work out in Americas favour.

The decision is Putin's and all any one can do is to point out the massive pitfalls involved in such action, and it has been suggested that Russia is walking head long in to a trap.


https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=psm60IUjrEI
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Old 02-14-2022, 05:34 AM
 
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Nobody wants a war, and a Russian invasion of Ukraine could see a lot of body bags going back to Moscow, as Ukraine is not a small country and has a regular army of 215,000 and a further 250,000 in the Army reserve.

These troops have been supplied with western weapons over the last decade, and have lots of anti-tank missiles and anti aircraft missiles, and they are already dug in.

Whilst even if Russia were to occupy the country, there will be a resistance movement which could mean a never ending supply of body bags going back to Moscow.

At the same time NATO would see new members join such as Sweden and Finland, and a lot more NATO troops would be based on the Russian border, and NATO would be re-united and more concentrated in relation to increasing spending.

The Russian economy, which is already suffering, would be reduced further and would find it impossible to trade or supply the west, resulting in Russia becoming ever poorer.

The video below spells out why it would be a bad decision to invade Ukraine and that it would work out in Americas favour.

The decision is Putin's and all any one can do is to point out the massive pitfalls involved in such action, and it has been suggested that Russia is walking head long in to a trap.


https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=psm60IUjrEI
Putin doesn't want Ukraine. He could have overran it in a couple of weeks back in 2014. Russian forces are superior to what Ukraine could muster. When Ukraine attacked trying to get its territories back, the Russians merely pushed them back to their starting points. The Russians could have continued and taken all of Ukraine, but Putin doesn't want Ukraine. He didn't want Ukraine back in 2014 and he doesn't want it now.
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Old 02-14-2022, 05:48 AM
 
Location: Some Airport Transit Zone
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Putin doesn't want Ukraine. He could have overran it in a couple of weeks back in 2014. Russian forces are superior to what Ukraine could muster. When Ukraine attacked trying to get its territories back, the Russians merely pushed them back to their starting points. The Russians could have continued and taken all of Ukraine, but Putin doesn't want Ukraine. He didn't want Ukraine back in 2014 and he doesn't want it now.
There are only two countries in the world who want to have a war between Russia and Ukraine. They are the US and the UK. They are both doing their best to make this war happen.
And all this hysteria with the Russian invasion of Ukraine is organized by these two.
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