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Old 02-14-2022, 10:09 AM
 
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Read the review of the book "Campaign of the Century" by Irwin Gellman in the WSJ:
https://www.wsj.com/articles/campaig...4271787?page=1

If you hit a WSJ paywall, try searching for the article or look for the book itself on Amazon.

The review is quite illuminating in demolishing the MSM accounts that Nixon was a scoundrel and Kennedy was a straightforward guy. According to the book's author, it was exactly the opposite!

BTW, the reviewer himself is not some partisan hack but "a former CEO of Congressional Quarterly, is the author of five books on American history and foreign policy."

According to the book's author, who is also a reputable historian, the election was likely stolen. While the Republicans urged Nixon to contest the results of the election based on the reports of electoral fraud in IL and TX, where JFK had "won" by a razor-thin margin, Nixon refused.

Another well-reported case of stolen election (in the Democratic primary that determined the history ahead) was that of Lyndon Johnson. According to Wikipedia (search for "Box 13 scandal"):
Johnson was announced the winner by 87 votes out of 988,295, an extremely narrow margin of victory.[3] Suspicions arose that the 202 late votes were fraudulent. The added names were in alphabetical order and written with the same pen and handwriting, at the end of the list of voters.

So, the next time the leftists piously proclaim that we don't have stolen elections in this country and screech of "conspiracy theories," remember the history. Indeed, the party of idiots and the party of scoundrels. . .
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Old 02-14-2022, 10:12 AM
 
Location: Western PA
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well everyone knew the kennedys were 'scoundrels', heckfire, old joe was a violent bootlegger and greenlit the holocaust and Ted, well Teddy...just ask Mary Jo... and no convo of JFK is complete without Marylin and her little 'accident'.
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Old 02-14-2022, 10:48 AM
 
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One of my favorite classic rock songs is by Procol Harum and there is a line that goes:

“And although my eyes were open
They might have just as well've been closed”

That perfectly describes the American people of the past, pre-2016. Trump has allowed us all to see what we didn’t see before.

Even if you hate the guy, you’ve got to acknowledge that he did peel back everyone’s blinders.
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Old 02-14-2022, 10:59 AM
 
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Nixon's election was stolen when the mob magically found a box of JFK votes in a basement in Chicago. What we are dealing with today is much more sophisticated and planned.
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Old 02-14-2022, 11:07 AM
 
Location: Pennsylvania
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Originally Posted by Strannik33 View Post
Read the review of the book "Campaign of the Century" by Irwin Gellman in the WSJ:
https://www.wsj.com/articles/campaig...4271787?page=1

If you hit a WSJ paywall, try searching for the article or look for the book itself on Amazon.

The review is quite illuminating in demolishing the MSM accounts that Nixon was a scoundrel and Kennedy was a straightforward guy. According to the book's author, it was exactly the opposite!

BTW, the reviewer himself is not some partisan hack but "a former CEO of Congressional Quarterly, is the author of five books on American history and foreign policy."

According to the book's author, who is also a reputable historian, the election was likely stolen. While the Republicans urged Nixon to contest the results of the election based on the reports of electoral fraud in IL and TX, where JFK had "won" by a razor-thin margin, Nixon refused.

Another well-reported case of stolen election (in the Democratic primary that determined the history ahead) was that of Lyndon Johnson. According to Wikipedia (search for "Box 13 scandal"):
Johnson was announced the winner by 87 votes out of 988,295, an extremely narrow margin of victory.[3] Suspicions arose that the 202 late votes were fraudulent. The added names were in alphabetical order and written with the same pen and handwriting, at the end of the list of voters.

So, the next time the leftists piously proclaim that we don't have stolen elections in this country and screech of "conspiracy theories," remember the history. Indeed, the party of idiots and the party of scoundrels. . .
No doubt that Illinois was stolen from Nixon in that election. NONE.
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Old 02-14-2022, 11:08 AM
 
Location: Sector 001
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The Bush/Gore one in 2000 was too close to call. The 2016 election where Hillary got the popular vote was also a fascinating one. Democrats like to harvest votes. It's something the republicans haven't gotten on board with yet. They will have to if they want to win future close elections.

Harvesting is simply going door to door and getting votes from people too lazy to go and vote themselves. It increases voter turnout. Wealthy individuals pay people to go around and do this. It bends the rules in many states like Wisconsin where lots of activity went on that was outside of state law but republicans did nothing about it, so Trump lost the state by 20K votes.

He would have won had they not thrown the green party off the ballot at the last second, and let Madison and Milwaukee do drop boxes that went outside the confines of state election law.

Don't assume your opposition will play fair. Play to win. 48 laws of power.
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Old 02-14-2022, 12:22 PM
 
Location: King County, WA
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Harvesting is simply going door to door and getting votes from people too lazy to go and vote themselves. It increases voter turnout. Wealthy individuals pay people to go around and do this. It bends the rules in many states like Wisconsin where lots of activity went on that was outside of state law but republicans did nothing about it, so Trump lost the state by 20K votes.
That tactic makes more sense in densely populated areas where the canvassers can cover a lot of ground in a short time. I.e. inner cities. So it is logical for the Democrats to do it. Republicans, in contrast, try to hinder voter access in those regions by modifying the election laws.

Regardless, trying to "steal" the vote on election day is very difficult to pull off on a large scale. It's much more effective to do it when nobody is watching, through redistricting.

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Old 02-14-2022, 12:59 PM
 
Location: A coal patch in Pennsyltucky
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Read the review of the book "Campaign of the Century" by Irwin Gellman in the WSJ:
https://www.wsj.com/articles/campaig...4271787?page=1

If you hit a WSJ paywall, try searching for the article or look for the book itself on Amazon.

The review is quite illuminating in demolishing the MSM accounts that Nixon was a scoundrel and Kennedy was a straightforward guy. According to the book's author, it was exactly the opposite!

BTW, the reviewer himself is not some partisan hack but "a former CEO of Congressional Quarterly, is the author of five books on American history and foreign policy."

According to the book's author, who is also a reputable historian, the election was likely stolen. While the Republicans urged Nixon to contest the results of the election based on the reports of electoral fraud in IL and TX, where JFK had "won" by a razor-thin margin, Nixon refused.

Another well-reported case of stolen election (in the Democratic primary that determined the history ahead) was that of Lyndon Johnson. According to Wikipedia (search for "Box 13 scandal"):
Johnson was announced the winner by 87 votes out of 988,295, an extremely narrow margin of victory.[3] Suspicions arose that the 202 late votes were fraudulent. The added names were in alphabetical order and written with the same pen and handwriting, at the end of the list of voters.

So, the next time the leftists piously proclaim that we don't have stolen elections in this country and screech of "conspiracy theories," remember the history. Indeed, the party of idiots and the party of scoundrels. . .
I agree with most of this but you need to be careful drawing too many conclusions from a review of a single book. JFK may well have lost the election due to electoral fraud in both Texas and Illinois. LBJ has a history of electoral fraud, and Joe Kennedy had strong influence with Richard Daley in Chicago.

JFK and Nixon actually got along. The behind the scenes activities were done by Joe Kennedy and RFK.

I won't give any credit to Nixon. You might want to check on the new book on Watergate that is coming out. See https://www.amazon.com/Watergate-His...NsaWNrPXRydWU=


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well everyone knew the kennedys were 'scoundrels', heckfire, old joe was a violent bootlegger and greenlit the holocaust and Ted, well Teddy...just ask Mary Jo... and no convo of JFK is complete without Marylin and her little 'accident'.
Scoundrel is a little extreme. He made a fortune from bootlegging but please provide a source for him being a "violent bootlegger." And what exactly do you mena by "greenlit the holocaust?"
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Old 02-14-2022, 01:13 PM
 
Location: Orange County, CA
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The Democrats wrote the book on election manipulation. Obama also stole the nomination from Hillary in 2008. The entity behind the frauds and ballot harvesting is the unions, UAW. Your local school board elections are regularly manipulated by the teachers union. This is not new. The unions have seized on elections throughout their history. They now have a whole operation in place.
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Old 02-14-2022, 01:18 PM
 
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No doubt that Illinois was stolen from Nixon in that election. NONE.
agreed.

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