Russia has now invaded Ukraine (Putin, terror, elect, retire)
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That is if we are talking specifically WESTERN Ukraine, as usual.
Crimea is Russian of course, from the times of the Russian Empire.
By the way yesterday I've heard about the proposition in the Russian government to reinstate the old "Taurida governorate" of the Russian Empire - Crimea plus the lands that now Russia already occupies in Ukraine or is planning to take.
The deportation of the Crimean Tatars (Crimean Tatar: Qırımtatar halqınıñ sürgünligi, Cyrillic: Къырымтатар халкъынынъ сюргюнлиги) or the Sürgünlik ("exile") was the ethnic cleansing and cultural genocide[c 1] of at least 191,044[c 2] Crimean Tatars in 18–20 May 1944 carried out by the Soviet government, ordered by Lavrentiy Beria, head of the Soviet state security and secret police, acting on behalf of Joseph Stalin.[11][12][13][14] Within three days, the NKVD used cattle trains to deport mostly women, children, the elderly, even Communists and members of the Red Army, to mostly the Uzbek SSR, several thousand kilometres away. They were one of the several ethnicities who were encompassed by Stalin's policy of population transfer in the Soviet Union.
The de-Tatarization of Crimea (Crimean Tatar: Qırımnıñ tatarsızlaştırıluvı; Russian: Детатаризация Крыма, romanized: Detatarizatsiya Kryma) refers to the Soviet and Russian efforts to remove traces of the indigenous Crimean Tatar presence from the peninsula. De-Tatarization has manifested in various ways throughout history, from the full-scale deportation and exile of Crimean Tatars in 1944 to other measures such as the burning of Crimean Tatar books published in the 1920s and toponym renaming.[1]
Ah yes the Russian "Nazi" state with all its local languages vs the "diverse" ,Western Democracy in Ukraine determined to have one national language. Got to stop that Russification. Its also blatantly obvious to anyone working with Ukrainians where that may have come from. Ukrainians that wanted to make money learned Russian. A joke among Ukrainians nationalists is that it would take one year for Jews to speak Ukrainian . 3 years for Russians , and 10 years for Ukrainians because the Ukrainian social elite did not want to speak it. "Derussified" Ukrainians are already remote programmer in the West and have to learn and speak English, German etc. Integrated with Europe it will be German and Polish. So again the wealthy Ukrainians will be wealthy because they don't just speak Ukrainian as has been done over and over and over again.
its sad but provincial languages do struggle against economic factors . Manx in the British Isles has fewer than 2000 speakers and its a hobby. However the point is its not the outsides forces that matter the most. Its the inside forces that always have a hatred for their own provincialism. The leading cheerleaders for Spanish speaking in the US are social elites. They encourage poor Hispanic to speak English which makes them great landscapers. The well to do Hispanics learn English ans eschew their own provincialism.
That's what those trying to substitute reality for fiction when talking about the "Russian Nazi" would like to conveniently forget)))
(Will try to comment on the rest later, have to run now.)
Funny. Ukraine was supposed to be defeated within days of the invasion. RIA Novosti accidentally published a victory article scheduled to run around 8 a.m. on February 26 per an archive date. The paper quickly deleted it but not before it was picked up by Pakistan's Frontier Post, Scotland's The Scotsman and other international outlets.
Per Google translate:
"Ukraine has returned to Russia...It will be reorganized, re-established and returned to its natural state as part of the Russian world...[Russia, Belarus and Ukraine will now act] in geopolitical terms as a single whole. ... There will be no more Ukraine as anti-Russia. [Attempts to preserve Ukraine are] the height of...geopolitical stupidity. The West as a whole, and even more so Europe in particular, did not have the strength to keep Ukraine in its sphere of influence, and even more so to take Ukraine for itself."
"Seeking to punish us, the West thinks that relations with it are of vital importance to us. But this has not been the case for a long time...Russia has not only challenged the West, it has shown that the era of Western global domination can be considered completely and finally over. ... European integration does not make strategic sense...because the Anglo-Saxons need a controlled Europe."
The mayor of the Ukrainian port city of Mariupol said Monday that more than 10,000 civilians have died in the Russian siege of his city, and that the death toll could surpass 20,000, with corpses that were “carpeted through the streets.”
Speaking by phone Monday to The Associated Press, Mayor Vadym Boychenko also said Russian forces brought mobile cremation equipment to Mariupol to dispose of the bodies, and he accused Russian forces of refusing to allow humanitarian convoys into the city in an attempt to conceal the carnage.
Russian forces have taken many bodies to a huge shopping center where there are storage facilities and refrigerators, Boychenko said.
Russian armed forces rely heavily on rail for logistics with supply trucks covering comparatively [to US] shorter distances. It did not appear to heavily strike Ukrainian railways in the first days of the war. Perhaps thinking it would need them to move into and occupy the country. Moving quickly out of the Crimea, it did, however, cut the railway lines out of Mariupol on February 27-28th. The city was not fully besieged until March 8th.
This whole "Ukraine actually belongs to Russia and has been hijacked by US sponsored neo-Nazis who are holding Ukrainian people hostage and who intend to invade Russia" conversation was invented by Putin. Every bit of it is in the speech given just before the invasion began.
Putin has already lost this war, says Johnny Harris. Putin's narrative of neo-Nazis being in control and Ukrainians waiting to be saved by Russia (both statements on record) has fallen apart. Ukrainians have rallied the way America did on Dec 8, 1941.
The world has been united in a way it never was before the invasion.
Worth watching. Harris is a gifted journalist and teacher.
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Didn't say it would put Russia back to the caveman era. Still world tech is so integrated. US tech manufactured in China used by Indian workers could well find its way into a Russian bank. Honestly don't know much if anything about tech licensing but if there is a way to break that chain, it probably will be found.
Years ago worked some with Chinese manufacturers. Amazing place, at least back then. So-called private companies had no desire to get crosswise with the government that literally dictated how they should run various aspects of their companies, especially if impacting the world market. And one thing the government did not want was to be 'embarrassed' by Chinese companies named for international violations. That would drive them bonkers, least at the time...
Just wanted to address the tech part of your post. If China and India form a trade block with Russia (and Africa and South America,) any tech licensing or agreements will be unenforceable.
Those countries have the resources and the manufacturing. The only thing we have for leverage is the financial system. Once the Eastern nations and Russia start their own financial system, we have nothing to enforce copyrights or contractual agreements. Without control of the financial system, we can only make threats of violence or throw dollars at radicals to cause regime change.
Eventually, we'll be sitting here on the North American continent with a mountain of useless dollars wondering where all our trinkets went. We need to start manufacturing things again. In 2008, we should have spun up our manufacturing and started making products.
The deportation of the Crimean Tatars (Crimean Tatar: Qırımtatar halqınıñ sürgünligi, Cyrillic: Къырымтатар халкъынынъ сюргюнлиги) or the Sürgünlik ("exile") was the ethnic cleansing and cultural genocide[c 1] of at least 191,044[c 2] Crimean Tatars in 18–20 May 1944 carried out by the Soviet government, ordered by Lavrentiy Beria, head of the Soviet state security and secret police, acting on behalf of Joseph Stalin.[11][12][13][14] Within three days, the NKVD used cattle trains to deport mostly women, children, the elderly, even Communists and members of the Red Army, to mostly the Uzbek SSR, several thousand kilometres away. They were one of the several ethnicities who were encompassed by Stalin's policy of population transfer in the Soviet Union.
The de-Tatarization of Crimea (Crimean Tatar: Qırımnıñ tatarsızlaştırıluvı; Russian: Детатаризация Крыма, romanized: Detatarizatsiya Kryma) refers to the Soviet and Russian efforts to remove traces of the indigenous Crimean Tatar presence from the peninsula. De-Tatarization has manifested in various ways throughout history, from the full-scale deportation and exile of Crimean Tatars in 1944 to other measures such as the burning of Crimean Tatar books published in the 1920s and toponym renaming.[1]
Didn't they side with Germans during the WWII?
Not all of course, but who would sort people out back in those days?
No one was "sorting" the Japanese in America during the WWII either - they were all sent to the internment camps.
This whole "Ukraine actually belongs to Russia and has been hijacked by US sponsored neo-Nazis who are holding Ukrainian people hostage and who intend to invade Russia" conversation was invented by Putin. Every bit of it is in the speech given just before the invasion began.
Putin has already lost this war, says Johnny Harris. Putin's narrative of neo-Nazis being in control and Ukrainians waiting to be saved by Russia (both statements on record) has fallen apart. Ukrainians have rallied the way America did on Dec 8, 1941.
The world has been united in a way it never was before the invasion.
Worth watching. Harris is a gifted journalist and teacher.
The more Russians are watching this war, the more even those that were not following the conflict in Donbass for the last eight years are becoming convinced that Ukraine is a Nazi state.
When they see their soldiers being tortured, Zelensky denying the Geneva agreement, international organizations not being allowed to have access to the Russian POWs - all this make them think that they ARE indeed dealing with the Nazi state, since the Russian POWs were treated in the same manner by the Nazi Germany.
The kind of threats that Ukrainians keep on posting on social media, "We will find your children no matter where they are - we'll get jobs as cooks and day care teachers in Europe and we'll kill them," only confirm their opinion.
( You need to understand that you see only part of the picture, and not what Russians see on Ukrainian sites/social media, sharing basically the same language.)
Now what PUTIN ( and his propaganda machine) claim, is not necessarily how the Russian PUBLIC perceives this war.
Those that were watching Donbass closely had tendency to say that ALL Ukrainians are fascists and need to be destroyed, other Russians felt sorry for Ukrainians that wanted to stay in good relations with Russia, but this Putin's official narrative that "Ukrainians need to be saved" - I don't think that anyone in Russia was actually buying it.
At least no one that was watching Ukraine since 2014 and what was taking place there from that point on.
So my guess is, that Putin's statements were meant more for the West, for "external," but not internal consumption.
P.S. I've heard lately that Ukraine broke the latest agreement on the POWs exchange yet again.
The agreement originally implied 234 (?) POWs being exchanged.
The Ukrainian side first negotiated it down to 34 people, and then refused to proceed all together.
The fate of the Russian POWS remain unknown at this point.
( But I have to double-check on all this information.)
Last edited by erasure; 04-11-2022 at 08:21 PM..
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