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Old 04-21-2022, 07:41 PM
 
Location: Milwaukee, WI
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It was probably on the level of $1.6 Billion....and it is worth every cent.
To a point, I agree with you on that, digits in the computer are much cheaper than American soldiers blood.

 
Old 04-21-2022, 07:44 PM
 
Location: Milwaukee, WI
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That doesn't mean that facts don't exist. There are distortions...like Iraq has WMD's. There was enough evidence that could be cherry-picked to make that case to the UN. But the fact is....Saddam Hussein did not have WMD's and the US had egg all over its face after they used that as the justification to invade Iraq. Some facts are much easier to prove than others. But that doesn't mean facts don't exist.
I don't argue facts exist, I argue that fact checkers' real goal is to present real facts. That's it. It is not Facebook's job to promote Freedom of Speech (or abide by any laws guarding it), it's not Fact Checker's job to uncover and present facts. Just a private business, nothing else. The goal of any business is to make money for its stakeholders.
 
Old 04-21-2022, 07:50 PM
 
Location: Canada
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Two Russian Oligarchs Die in Mysterious Circumstances 24 Hours Apart
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Questions look set to be asked after two Russian oligarchs, both linked to gas giants, apparently murdered their wives and daughters before killing themselves—within two days of each other.

In both cases, the alarm was raised by the slain families' surviving child.
 
Old 04-21-2022, 08:06 PM
 
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The only Nazi state in Europe is headquartered in the Kremlin.

Putin is even copying Hitler's penchant for personally directing military campaigns. His speeches at the beginning look like he looked to Hitler's for inspiration as they both sought to include ethnic brethren in their borders by war.

That's your wild imagination, things you'd love to believe in, but shouldn't.

Unfortunately for you, everything Putin is saying about Ukraine is well-researched and correct from historic point of view.

And it's no different, from what I am reading in the book of certain American professor in his book from the 50ies on history of Russia.


With other words, a lot of things are simply playing in Putin's hands, whether one likes it or not.
 
Old 04-21-2022, 08:13 PM
 
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It was probably on the level of $1.6 Billion....and it is worth every cent.
For who? What do the US citizens have to gain?

All this money is just bought and paid for corrupt spending.
 
Old 04-21-2022, 08:15 PM
 
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To a point, I agree with you on that, digits in the computer are much cheaper than American soldiers blood.
Soldiers sign up to shoot whatever a politician tells them to. The concern is the impact on the American people.
 
Old 04-21-2022, 08:18 PM
 
Location: Milwaukee, WI
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Soldiers sign up to shoot whatever a politician tells them to. The concern is the impact on the American people.
That is correct but very sad.
 
Old 04-21-2022, 08:27 PM
 
Location: Milwaukee, WI
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So that justifies this girl losing her arm?
Look, what happened to that boy is horrible. I mean YOU CAN LIKE BE AGAINST BOTH. It's like... Really easy.

Killing and maiming kids is bad. Universally bad. Whomever did that to that girl deserves to hang along with whomever did that to that boy. It's not rocket science.
a) We don't really know what happened to that girl and who did it. Ukrainian Territorial defense is launching rockets into their own cities all the time. It could be them as well as a number of other actors.
b) A war is terrible thing, but who started military action to take the Donbass? Russians took Crimea without a single shot. One can say, Strelkov took over Slavyansk... Does it justify bombing other Donbass cities? If you're against any war, look who started it.
 
Old 04-21-2022, 08:44 PM
 
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Yup, Putin ordered it publicly, for all Russians to see on TV.

Because he wanted to receive one more bonus point for "sparing the lives of the Russian fighters" and seeing no need for them to climb into those catacombs.

There are no exits into the city from Azov Steel underground bunkers - otherwise they would have escaped long time ago.

But since they are confined to Azov Steel factory, it's only a matter of time when they will run out of ammunition and food.

So as long as all the exits are sealed by the DNR/Russian troops - Azov can sit there and send their appeals to British, Polish, American, and whatever governments they are appealing to, to "deliver them to safety."

Even if to the Roman Pope himself ( yes, they appealed to him too.)
All to Zelensky's embarrassment.
There ARE no defined exits. You keep talking as if this is a single entity. No point in paying much attention to Putin, here, with his talk of a "fly."

Methinks you've never been in a steel mill. This one is a doozy with 6 blast furnaces. An integrated steel operation, starting with the iron ore storage, blast furnaces, all the way thru to finishing lines, rail lines, port facilities. It's in the heart of the city surrounded by residential neighborhoods. To move product, connected by underground tunnels

Built in the 1930s it was partially destroyed during ww2 then rebuilt after the war. An underground "city" THEN added with bunkers six stories down, in theory, able to withstand a nuclear blast. For a defense operation, a wider tunnel network highly likely. More, "bunker blasters" may do damage - depending on poundage - but not take out key areas. Trying to use chlorine gas possibly not feasible, how to get close enough then where?

The Azovstal was theoretically "surrounded" some time ago. Most of the 36th marines joined the Azov last week from further north in the industrial area, how exactly the Ukrainians did not say other than they "punched" through. The ones that were captured tried to make a break for the Ukrainian lines.

That's not so easy which is why Azov cannot simply walk thru "tunnels" to escape the entire Russian army within and surrounding the city. Once exposed without cover, they'd never make it. Still they appear to have or had some freedom of movement, which may be why Russia has been busy today bombing the neighborhoods surrounding the complex.

The only real question is whether or not the border guards + police units were able to join them last night. And if so, how - and what does that mean for any "future operations."

Curious, I googled. Here's a graphic that indicates tunnels that allow for guerrilla raids within Mariupol. Which is exactly what the two factory workers who left said. With Azov busy taking out a tank today. Not to "defeat" the Russian army but clearly a signal that Russians cannot necessarily just go off to fight in the Donbas.

https://twitter.com/L_Team10/status/...053699/photo/1
 
Old 04-21-2022, 09:39 PM
 
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The murderer Putin declared disloyal Oligarchs traitors. The ex-KGB butcher has a history of killing people who opposed him. It's not really surprising some Oligarchs have been found dead in very suspicious circumstances.
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