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Russians as usual misunderstand the Ukrainians. Some of the videos they circulate as evidence of Nazi-like behavior are instead designed to terrify and further destroy the morale of Russian soldiers. Except for the ethnic-Russians who so-called international reporters like Patrick Lancaster trot out for his videos, this appears to be a country that does not want to be occupied.
And it was not occupied for those thirty years while it was independent.
So if it wanted to continue to not to be occupied, then may be, ( just may be) they shouldn't have been drumming the constant hatred towards Russia, making the destruction of its very existence a national goal, they shouldn't have been marching on the streets of the old Russians cities with German insignias, and outlawing the usage of Russian language.
They probably shouldn't have been inviting NATO instructors and foreign military bases on their soil, and least of all threatening Russia with the nuclear weapons.
Then may be ( just may be) they wouldn't be occupied by Russia for another 300 years.
and just so the Russian army doesn't feel left out because of their navy loses, here's one for them..
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The war in Ukraine is taking a “heavy toll” on some of Russia’s most capable units and most advanced capabilities, an intelligence briefing from Britain’s defense ministry said Saturday, as rescuers sought to evacuate more civilians from a steel mill in Mariupol.
At least one T-90M, Russia’s most advanced tank, has been destroyed in the fighting, the ministry tweeted in a regular bulletin.
not to mention the fact that crack Russian soldiers are actually just a bunch of disgruntled crackheads..
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In one regiment, one Russian soldier allegedly said they’ve been pouring sand into the tanks’ fuel systems to clog them up.
“I don't follow stupid orders, I simply refuse,” one fighter can be heard telling a comrade. “The motherf*cker sent me to tanks, motherf*cking piece of ****. I f*cked it up and that's it.”
They probably shouldn't have been inviting NATO instructors and foreign military bases on their soil...
If they hadn't, they'd be a vassal to Russia now.
I wonder when the Russians will get the picture: People just don't like your nation under its current regime, and they really don't want Moscow to make decisions for them. Clean up your act, become a decent citizen on the world stage, and your neighbors won't keep their guns at the ready all the time.
But nooooo - you had to bite off more than you could chew, and we'll get another 30 years of cold war. Nice job.
And it was not occupied for those thirty years while it was independent.
So if it wanted to continue to not to be occupied, then may be, ( just may be) they shouldn't have been drumming the constant hatred towards Russia, making the destruction of its very existence a national goal, they shouldn't have been marching on the streets of the old Russians cities with German insignias, and outlawing the usage of Russian language.
They probably shouldn't have been inviting NATO instructors and foreign military bases on their soil, and least of all threatening Russia with the nuclear weapons.
Then may be ( just may be) they wouldn't be occupied by Russia for another 300 years.
Well they didn't have foreign bases, other than the Russian ones in the Crimea. And they voluntarily gave up their nuclear weapons with guarantees by Russia of their territorial integrity, that Russia violated.
The Russians lasted 9 years in Afghanistan when they were stronger. (The British gave up after 5 and the Americans after 20). They won't last 300 years or even 5 if Ukraine resists.
Video title says Western precision artillery were used to destroy Russian equipment. In the hands of Ukrainian defenders, any artillery is deadly. It's so sad that the battlefield appears to be farmland that Ukrainians depend on to feed themselves.
They were no "Russia's vassals" for those thirty years.
Friendly to Russia - yes, because of the economic ties of the East with Russia.
But the Western part of the country had the economic ties to Poland/EU with no problems.
And, minding you - the East of the country never went to Lvov and Ivano-Frankovsk telling them what kind of heroes they can or can't have - be that Bandera or Shukchevich, or any kind of Hitlers' collaborators.
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I wonder when the Russians will get the picture: People just don't like your nation under its current regime, and they really don't want Moscow to make decisions for them. Clean up your act, become a decent citizen on the world stage, and your neighbors won't keep their guns at the ready all the time.
I wonder whether the West will ever get a picture; don't accept the loot in your banks from thugs, don't help them to become legitimate, all while pretending that you are establishing some "freedom and democracy" in the looted lands.
Clean your act, have some decency, and THEN point Russians at their shortcomings.
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But nooooo - you had to bite off more than you could chew, and we'll get another 30 years of cold war. Nice job.
So first you helped to create the oligarchic state in Russia, and when THIS didn't work out, and Russia didn't become the subservient appendix for the natural resources as it was intended, you decided to make another hit, while cutting Ukraine away from Russia and setting them in the war against each other to finally weaken Russia ( and hopefully to finally destroy it THEN.) The "divide and conquer" factor.
But since the West is on the wrong side in all that, as I've already said before, and keeps on biting off more than it can chew, guess what's going to happen?
Actually, it's already happening as we speak.
God is alive and well - he didn't go anywhere.
Or do you think he oversees America and America only?
Look closely now at the second most important pinned thread here, and figure out that "division" thing in the making.
Unable to turn Ukraine into a NATO member [in 2008], the U.S. turned it into a NATO outpost, delivering billions in military assistance, conducting joint military exercises, running clandestine paramilitary training programs, swapping intelligence, and even participating in cyber operations against the Russian government. The U.S. created the worst of all possible worlds for Ukraine – a provocative NATO proxy on Russia's doorstep, but without NATO's security umbrella. https://theweek.com/nato/1013153/shu...ne-permanently
Agree that (1) George W Bush was unwise earlier and (2) some Ukrainian leaders would for now obvious reasons have welcomed NATO membership. Still polemics like this commentary tend to leave out pertinent information. For example, dates, and numbers. An analyst writing like this would get shown the door.
Looking quickly, NATO involvement appears to have increased dramatically if not key steps outright initiated (I don't know) in 2014 and later. In other words, after Russia started taking Ukrainian territory. That's strikes me as relevant for a discussion, regardless how so-called valid NATO interests are defined.
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Originally Posted by erasure
And it was not occupied for those thirty years while it was independent.
So if it wanted to continue to not to be occupied, then may be, ( just may be) they shouldn't have been drumming the constant hatred towards Russia, making the destruction of its very existence a national goal, they shouldn't have been marching on the streets of the old Russians cities with German insignias, and outlawing the usage of Russian language.
They probably shouldn't have been inviting NATO instructors and foreign military bases on their soil, and least of all threatening Russia with the nuclear weapons.
Then may be ( just may be) they wouldn't be occupied by Russia for another 300 years.
You write assertively without cites nor facts and numbers. As for parades, they hurt a whole lot less than tanks. As far as I'm aware, no Ukrainian parade ever crossed into Russian territory. If a parade didn't have a lawful permit, that's Ukraine's issue not Russia's. More broadly, its amazing you continue to discount the Ukrainian hatred of Russia resulting from this invasion. Russia threatens where it should court, with 2014 a key misstep. Putin made Russian pride paramount.
Well they didn't have foreign bases, other than the Russian ones in the Crimea. And they voluntarily gave up their nuclear weapons with guarantees by Russia of their territorial integrity, that Russia violated.
Well if you are not aware of something, that doesn't mean that it doesn't exist.
"Russia has been carefully observing the activities of the U.S and British navies in the Black Sea region. It protested through diplomatic channels that the main thrust of Sea Breeze 2018, a Black Sea exercise with Ukraine, was anti-Russian. And according to the Russian Institute of Strategic Research, it was not a coincidence when after Sea Breeze 2017, the United States revealed plans to build a maritime operations center in Ochakiv, a small city located between Crimea and Odessa at the mouth of the Dnieper River.1"
They were no "Russia's vassals" for those thirty years.
Correct. Looks like they liked it that way. They remember the previous decades, and not fondly.
Russia's problems are homemade. Whining "Why didn't the Western banks stop this?" is - again - the eternal desire to be a victim in every situation coming to the forefront. Russian oligarchs in the Russian system with the eager assistance of other deeply corrupt Russians have been stealing Russian resources, and it's not on anyone but the Russians to solve that problem. But it'll be awhile before they realize that. It's not the sons of the Muscovites being dropped into the meat grinder, after all.
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