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Because this is about Nazis and the Ukrainians oppressing the poor Russian victims in Ukraine.
"Ibrahimova said that she was held captive before the Russians released her in mid-March. Additionally, another museum employee named Galina Andriivna Kucher was abducted on April 30 after she refused to give information about the rest of the museum's Sycthian collection, which the curators had hidden, Eskender Bariiev, a Ukrainian activist, wrote on his Facebook page.
Live Science has not been able to reach Ibrahimova or confirm the abduction of Kucher."
Mhm.
Sounds ( as usual with Ukrainian propaganda) like "he said" "she said."
And if to believe to Russians, someone, somewhere was trying to take this collection to the Western part of Ukraine.
Keeping in mind those 2,5 billion of Euros that "Ukrainian elite" took out of the country lately, these "Scythian treasures" being in "safe hands" take the whole new meaning.
The other part of collection of Scythian gold that was sent to Netherlands from Crimea back in 2013 by Kiev, is still in the Netherlands I assume.
So in response to these "Russian commandoes", Ukraine decided to shell civilians. Nice.
The commandos were few in number, about 50. By the time the Ukrainian army reached Donetsk ... separatist militias were about - I want to say - keep it at the many thousands?
Take a look at how this grew. Early anti-Maidan protests in Donbas as in other places in Eastern Ukraine involving genuine grievances about language etc. Language does not equal separatism. The different ethnic mix in the Donbas probably not relevent in the earliest stages... only agitators required, to increase the "violence" factor ... although the Donbas was tied to Yanukovych (and benefitted greatly, disproportionally received 'tax receipts' with Yanukovych corrupt cronies in place).
That helped set the stage, that and a Strelkov. Strelkov then took disorganized protests and put them into an effective army. The Donbas people are not in the least 'violent' but in turn were propagandized, by events that arguably both Right Sector and Russian provocateurs staged that inevitably drew in the comparatively innocent.
Add in: local separatist leaders themselves fighting to become the new counter-elite, thus profiting.
It's terribly sad. Strelkov should have just kept on walking on his way home to Russia from the Crimea. Putin may not have then 'defended' Russian honor when Strelkov was forced back into Donetsk after early losses. Without the continuing unrest due to Donbas - I don't think Crimea could have sparked this - this invasion may not be happening.
A segment of the anti-Russian sentiment in Ukraine absolutely rose from 2014 onward, certainly displayed by the militias that formed and the 'war veterans.' Without Strelkov and his dream of Russian imperialism and 'new Russia' we may not be looking at a potential ww3.
To blame this on NATO or Americans (that, of course, attempt to profit) is too simplistic. Without Ukrainians on the ceasefire line to train or militarize, I doubt NATO would have been much involved. Pre-2014, was there much activity? The EU had already expressed doubts about future NATO membership, that Ukraine for quite understandable reasons did seek.
Strelkov is interesting because he is honest. That doesn't make his subsequent Putin-supported Ukrainian venture anything other than a disaster for about all involved at this point.
EDITED TO ADD: Putin is not innocent here. His speech(es) 'suggested." Donbas on the Russian border created a set of 'expectations' an ethnic minority living apart from a major army next door might not have had. The former USSR not so long past in history. What is in Putin's head at any one moment, impossible to tell. Certainly the Donbas didn't understand him.
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About 14,000 Donbas civilians over this period were killed by Ukrainian shelling. Now break down the civilian deaths caused by Russian shelling.
100% totally false.
About 14,000 people including combatants died in total in Putin's first invasion of Ukraine.
Most were combatants and civilians died on both sides. UN estimate is about 3,400 civilians.
"Ibrahimova said that she was held captive before the Russians released her in mid-March. Additionally, another museum employee named Galina Andriivna Kucher was abducted on April 30 after she refused to give information about the rest of the museum's Sycthian collection, which the curators had hidden, Eskender Bariiev, a Ukrainian activist, wrote on his Facebook page.
Live Science has not been able to reach Ibrahimova or confirm the abduction of Kucher. Archaeologists that Live Science reached said that the Melitopol area was an important hub for Scythian activity around 2,000 years ago."
Mhm.
Sounds ( as usual with Ukrainian propaganda) like "he said" "she said."
And if to believe to Russians, someone, somewhere was trying to take this collection to the Western part of Ukraine.
Keeping in mind those 2,5 billion of Euros that "Ukrainian elite" took out of the country lately, these "Scythian treasures" being in "safe hands" take the whole new meaning.
The other part of collection of Scythian gold that was sent to Netherlands from Crimea back in 2013 by Kiev, is still in the Netherlands I assume.
In "safe hands," apparently.
I'll just quote my friends Ruth4Truth and elnina from the Europe forum to save some time. By the way, why did you stop posting there? Several posters have lamented they miss seeing your comments there.
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Originally Posted by Ruth4Truth
They're robbing Ukraine blind. They trucked away between 400,000 and 800,000 tons of grain stored in silos (estimates vary). And the original article that came out last month about this museum theft, described what sounded like a professional job using delicate tools to avoid harming the artifacts. https://www.nytimes.com/2022/04/30/w...um-russia.html
There's a UN Convention to protect cultural artifacts in wartime. Russia is a signatory to it. Russia is behaving barbarically in more ways than one. This is what the Nazis did during WWII, stealing not only from Jewish homes, but from Russia.
During the Red revolution (civil wars 1917-23) Bolsheviks destroyed many historical sites, converted for government use, painted over old frescoes, burned books, paintings, looted farmers, raped women...
Lenin wrote that it was necessary to relentlessly "purify," "clean" and "purge" Russian society of the "flees," "bugs" and "parasites" infecting and polluting it.
Their army mentality didn't change a bit.
I'll just quote my friends Ruth4Truth and elnina from the Europe forum to save some time. By the way, why did you stop posting there? Several posters have lamented they miss seeing your comments there.
You can quote whoever and whatever.
As long as these materials are coming from the same sources, with no counter-arguments coming from the other side, nothing can be trusted.
However I would like to make a comment on wheat and "Russians stealing the wheat from Ukraine."
This is an interesting one, worth of mentioning.
You know that Russia/Ukraine were the major suppliers of wheat/sunflower oil to the world markets ( fertilizers too,) so with this war the price of wheat is going up, and Biden got busy with idea of "pulling out 20 million tonnes of wheat sitting in Ukrainian storages, in order to bring the market prices down.")
What will happen to Ukrainians and what THEY are going to eat in these war times is none of his concern, because apparently he wants to have some form of payment for all the weapons that have been sent to Ukraine lately.
The problem is, of course, Ukrainian major port Odessa is blocked now by the Russians, and Biden is trying to figure out how to deal with this obstacle.
Otherwise he would have "imported" those 20 million tonnes of wheat too, as Russians "imported" those 400,000 tonnes ( if they did.)
But going back to Russians ( provided that they DID "steal" those 400,000 tonnes of wheat in the first place.)
Of course they understand the "world market" and its demands.
They know what these shortages are leading to ( with them sitting on their piles of wheat and other food stuff.)
And of course they include Ukrainians in their calculations, that they are going to feed with this wheat ( unlike Americans.)
Like they are feeding now more than million of them that relocated into Russia currently, plus those 4,000 of Ukrainian POWs.
And they will continue to feed those of them that were not infected with anti-Russian hysteria of 2014.
Overall at the end, they will include all the lands that they will be able to conquer ( or to take back - whichever you prefer,) into the Russian Federation with all these "Melitopol museums" that Russians built back in the 1900ies anyway, distribute that "Scyntian gold" in them, as much as the wheat supply in all these newly acquired "oblast," and will be done with it.
That Scythian gold from Crimea sitting in Holland on another hand won't see Ukrainian lands ever again I bet, as much as the food supply for the rest of Ukrainian population will be questionable. ( Whatever will be left from it ( population that is.)
"The road to hell is paved with best intentions" as they say, when it comes to Ukraine and "West's love" for it.
P.S. As for your question why I don't post in "Europe's section any longer - make a wild guess.
About 14,000 people including combatants died in total in Putin's first invasion of Ukraine.
Most were combatants and civilians died on both sides. UN estimate is about 3,400 civilians.
As long as these materials are coming from the same sources, with no counter-arguments coming from the other side, nothing can be trusted.
However I would like to make a comment on wheat and "Russians stealing the wheat from Ukraine."
This is an interesting one, worth of mentioning.
You know that Russia/Ukraine were the major suppliers of wheat/sunflower oil to the world markets ( fertilizers too,) so with this war the price of wheat is going up, and Biden got busy with idea of "pulling out 20 million tonnes of wheat sitting in Ukrainian storages, in order to bring the market prices down.")
What will happen to Ukrainians and what THEY are going to eat in these war times is none of his concern, because apparently he wants to have some form of payment for all the weapons that have been sent to Ukraine lately.
The problem is, of course, Ukrainian major port Odessa is blocked now by the Russians, and Biden is trying to figure out how to deal with this obstacle.
Otherwise he would have "imported" those 20 million tonnes of wheat too, as Russians "imported" those 400,000 tonnes ( if they did.)
But going back to Russians ( provided that they DID "steal" those 400,000 tonnes of wheat in the first place.)
Of course they understand the "world market" and its demands.
They know what these shortages are leading to ( with them sitting on their piles of wheat and other food stuff.)
And of course they include Ukrainians in their calculations, that they are going to feed with this wheat ( unlike Americans.)
Like they are feeding now more than million of them that relocated into Russia currently, plus those 4,000 of Ukrainian POWs.
And they will continue to feed those of them that were not infected with anti-Russian hysteria of 2014.
Overall at the end, they will include all the lands that they will be able to conquer ( or to take back - whichever you prefer,) into the Russian Federation with all these "Melitopol museums" that Russians built back in the 1900ies anyway, distribute that "Scyntian gold" in them, as much as the wheat supply in all these newly acquired "oblast," and will be done with it.
That Scythian gold from Crimea sitting in Holland on another hand won't see Ukrainian lands ever again I bet, as much as the food supply for the rest of Ukrainian population will be questionable. ( Whatever will be left from it ( population that is.)
"The road to hell is paved with best intentions" as they say, when it comes to Ukraine and "West's love" for it.
P.S. As for your question why I don't post in "Europe's section any longer - make a wild guess.
We don't need Ukrainian wheat. Its African and Asian countries that will be suffering. Egypt and the Phillipines in particular. Egypt is trying desperately to make a deal with India right now.
America has never invaded Ukraine. They meddled with Ukrainian politics, although less than Putin did. Putin didn't get what he wanted so he launched an invasion in 2014 and then his current one now. In the first one his mercenary armies that "miraculously" obtained tanks and artillery and drove them from Russia to the Ukraine without any Russian border patrol noticing ended up being on the verge of losing the war and Putin had to send the regular Russian army in to stabilize the situation.
Another official said they wouldn't have mass numbers of better weapons and troops trained on them until June.
That's my understanding to. But this is the Fog of War so there is much we simply don't know. Spit balling here but the Russians have spent the Winter in their tanks there and are now tired, exhausted and demoralized. Russians tried building the river bridge nine times, as ordered, nine times they failed and suffered heavy losses significantly impacting Russian Morale along with more reports of Russians refusing orders. New artillery is now arriving in Ukraine in significant numbers...so maybe the Ukrainians are recognizing now is the time to strike regardless if it's a month earlier than expected. It would be a gamble....but if they take Izyum....Russia won't be able to recover from that. I admit that's a bit of an optimistic view. Here is the update from The Study of War.
Catastrophic Russian losses in a failed river crossing and the military incompetence displayed in that crossing have shaken the confidence of some prominent Russian milbloggers.
Russian forces continue shaping operations for the Battle of Severodonetsk from the south even though those losses have at least temporarily disrupted their efforts from the north.
Ukrainian forces announced that they will conduct a counteroffensive around Izyum.
Russian forces continued to withdraw from northern Kharkiv Oblast, but will likely seek to hold a line defending their ground lines of communication from Belgorod via Vovchansk to Izyum.
This could be key
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The Ukrainian destruction of significant elements of a Russian motorized rifle brigade that tried to cross a pontoon bridge over the Siverskyi Donets River on May 11 has shocked prominent Russian milbloggers. Those bloggers have begun commenting on the incompetence of the Russian military to their hundreds of thousands of followers. The attempted river crossing showed a stunning lack of tactical sense as satellite images show (destroyed) Russian vehicles tightly bunched up at both ends of the (destroyed) bridge, clearly allowing Ukrainian artillerymen to kill hundreds and destroy scores of vehicles with concentrated strikes. The milbloggers who have hitherto been cheering on the Russian military criticized Russian armed forces leadership for failing to learn from experience in the war. They also expressed the concern that the constant pushing of Russia’s propaganda lines was making it hard for them to understand what was actually going on.
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