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Old 02-27-2022, 12:54 PM
 
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Russia is clearly in violation of the Budapest agreement that disarmed the Ukraine of nuclear weapons. Russia, the US and the UK gave security assurances to protect it in exchange. So we certainly should be helping defend them.

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Budape...ity_Assurances
The Russian spies here would never acknowledge that violation. They try hard to spin their narrative while forgetting that people are not easily brainwashed. Putin is a thug and murderer who invaded his neighbor.

 
Old 02-27-2022, 12:56 PM
 
Location: Western PA
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You are too alarmist. Putin and Russians enjoy living on earth as much as we do. Putin understands the language of strength.

they just clarified and I recall best I can as I was driving: we have enough weapons to destroy the US and all of nato. russia does not want to live on a planet that does not have russia in it, so we will use them.
 
Old 02-27-2022, 01:09 PM
 
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It certainly seems that way...it's like he has an aversion to say something is 'wrong'... to the Jan 6 crowd and now to Putin.
The classic rebel without a cause, the classic bad boy going against any conventional thinking.
It seems.
Many people are saying classic megalomaniac.
 
Old 02-27-2022, 01:11 PM
 
Location: Southwestern, USA, now.
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Putin is a thug and murderer who invaded his neighbor.
Well, THAT is clear. He has a different mentally than good, sane, peace loving people.
We've seen this in every Mafia movie...''Bang you're dead'' mentality...even to a nephew.

It's a diff mind set...''They are weak; take whatever we want. Survival of the most brutal.''
Putin could care less what the Western World thinks. He sees weakness.
IMO.
 
Old 02-27-2022, 01:26 PM
 
Location: Southwestern, USA, now.
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Many people are saying classic megalomaniac.
Do we, in the West, really have words in our DSM-V to explain a mind with this Russian thinking?
Can we explain the mind of a Neanderthal ? I dunno...I'm asking.
A savage Ghengis Khan or Caligula bombing apt buildings now of simple people making
potato cabbage casseroles for dinner? (I hear hospitals now?)
 
Old 02-27-2022, 01:29 PM
 
Location: Western PA
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Another must read. From al jaz and one of the more world wide renown analysts (read: non US MSM). It is about the view of america on the world stage and includes admins previous to biden, but most critical on biden.


In short: this is why our constant bleating on woke and equity is why no one takes us serious.



This writing is what objective reporting looks like, coming from someone with strong views, but does not interject them


read every word. its not that long, should take most no more than 5 minutes.


https://www.aljazeera.com/opinions/2...ded-on-america


btw, as I typed this, excellent analyst jennifer griffin, a woman, explained nearly word for word russian nuclear doctrine, exactly as I described it 50 pages ago. Tell me, since no one thinks women can be smart, how do we have adults like her who understand it TODAY, as well as we were taught it over 40 years ago, coexist with the morons, yes morons who are not seeing this as the most dangerous moment in our time? I am swearing at tv screens when she speaks first, and then jen comes on with her drug induced drivel about being less reliant on oil


Zelenskyy is weaing body armor and carrying side arms, broadcasting to his people from a cell phone, being a leader.


where is ours? I have heard nothing...
 
Old 02-27-2022, 01:30 PM
 
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Moving NATO east one country at a time while Russia was weak in the 1990s to early 2000s was a huge provocation.
With the recent object lesson in what happens when you're close to Russia and not in NATO, perhaps it was a smart move on the involved countries' part? Why should Russia even get a vote when it comes to, say, Estonia or Poland's foreign policy?

No one has entered Russian territory, Russia merely has an inflated idea of the amount of power and respect they're entitled to. Of course Russia would much prefer to deal with small neighboring countries on a one-on-one basis where Russia wields power - and that's exactly why the only intelligent choice for the smaller countries is to form alliances.

Russia may consider it a "provocation" that they can't dictate Estonia's foreign policy, but most people outside Russia would rather that Estonia make her own decisions.

Again - Eastern Europe lived under Russia's thumb for decades, and they really, really do not want that again.
 
Old 02-27-2022, 01:32 PM
 
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How is a mutual defense pact provocative?
 
Old 02-27-2022, 02:00 PM
 
Location: North America
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How is a mutual defense pact provocative?
It's not. It's just an excuse, and more than a few people are dumb enough to fall for it. Others know it's nonsense, but dishonestly claim otherwise because... well, because they can't think of any other excuse to support Putin.

During the Cold War, the United States had more than 7000 nuclear weapons stationed in NATO countries in Europe. Today? There are ~150 U.S. nuclear weapons station in bases in Italy, the Netherlands, Belgium, Turley, and Germany (bases that are in what was once West Germany, not East Germany). In other words, far from the NATO nuclear posture increasing vis-a-vis Russia, it has drastically receded.

The nations of eastern Europe have embraced NATO membership precisely because they remember Russian depredations. The shameless attack on Finland in 1939. The secret protocols in the odious Ribbentrop-Molotov Pact that allowed Stalin to brutally seize the Baltic states. The horrific occupation and oppression from 1945 until 1989 of the bulk of eastern Europe. The opportunistic invasion of Georgia in 1989. The annexation and invasion of Crimea in 2014. And the current ongoing naked aggression.

NATO membership is, as noted, complete BS believed only by useful idiots. Putin is a revanchist, trying to erase Ukrainian identity and absorb it into Russia. The spectacle of eastern Slavs, virtually brothers of Russians, living in such proximity in a democratic nation is intolerable to the autocrat.

The Putin fanboys, as is their wont, have bet on the wrong horse.
 
Old 02-27-2022, 02:12 PM
 
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Update from Ukranian gov't: 352 civilians killed, another 1,680 injured.

19 children killed, 102 injuried
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