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Old 05-28-2022, 06:18 PM
 
Location: Gaston, South Carolina
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Originally Posted by ClaraC View Post
*snipped for being incredibly long*

Are you suggesting (it appears you are) that this entire tragedy is a hoax?

Ask Alex Jones how that worked out for him . . .
The crazy is strong with that poster as it appears that is exactly what he is "suggesting." None of it stands up t scrutiny. First, he offers no proof to any of it. We cannot go to linked sources to see and hear for ourselves what he is saying. Secondly, how does one coordinate such a massive conspiracy? These parents had pictures of their kids and posted several images on their social media. Some of the parents heard about the shooting and went to the school to see what was going on. Locals know each other. Parents knew some of the cops and visa-versa. The shooter's social media accounts have been verified. There were bodies on scene and kids transported to hospitals. The grandmother went to a neighbor's house with a gun shot wound to the face. If any of this turned out to be false, someone would certainly find it.

 
Old 05-28-2022, 06:19 PM
 
Location: Jacksonville, FL
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Originally Posted by Goodnight View Post
We will see about that, maybe this time there will be real change but the republicans seem to be falling back to adding more security and arming teachers, again.
Your optimistic view of the government's desire to protect children is misplaced. Uvalde proves that the government doesn't care.
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Originally Posted by ClaraC View Post
Can you imagine. Can you even IMAGINE, putting a loaded AR15 in a first grade classroom.

For crying out loud, they don't even have sharpie markers or adult scissors, because you know kids . . .

what could possibly go wrong?
Who said anything about teachers carrying AR-15s? Teachers should be allowed to carry though and in fact, teachers in Texas are allowed by state law - but the school district said no. It's obvious that the police were incapable of stopping the shooter, it would have been a good idea to have a responsible armed adult on the scene that was actually willing to engage him. Perhaps if a teacher had engaged him it would have given the police some testicular fortitude and they would have done their job.
 
Old 05-28-2022, 06:20 PM
 
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Originally Posted by thrillobyte View Post
You think this is a conspiracy to get their DNA??????? Why am I not surprised, Rob.
One theory...

Jan 2021 - China's push to control Americans' health care future

For all the polarization that grips Washington, here's a source of rare consensus: the emerging threat of China's push to acquire our health care data, including the DNA of American citizens. U.S. officials tell us the communist regime's aggressive collection of our most personal information presents a danger both to national security and our economy.

...
The authoritarian government of China and its leader Xi Jinping have been boldly open about their ambitions to beat the west and reap the benefits of advances in DNA science and technology.

...
Think of DNA as the ultimate treasure map, a kind of double-helixed chart containing the code for traits ranging from our eye color to our susceptibility to certain diseases. If you have 10,000 DNA samples, scientists could possibly isolate the genetic markers in the DNA associated with, say, breast cancer. But if you have 10 million samples, your statistical chances of finding the markers improve dramatically, which is why China wants to get so much of it.


This theory says China wants to corner the U.S. health care market and be the source of our DNA technology.


Also...

Nov 2020 - China Wants Your DNA—and It's up To No Good | Opinion

We need to further harmonize policies and standards and establish 'fast tracks' to facilitate the orderly flow of personnel," said Chinese ruler Xi Jinping to the virtual G20 Leaders' Summit on November 21. "China has proposed a global mechanism on the mutual recognition of health certificates based on nucleic acid test results in the form of internationally accepted QR codes. We hope more countries will join this mechanism."

No, this is not a benign proposal to facilitate international travel and trade. On the contrary, this is almost certainly another Chinese initiative to enlarge its collection of the DNA of the world's population.

And why does China want such sensitive data? Beijing is determined to dominate the biotech industry. Beijing may also be developing biological weapons designed to target certain ethnic groups.

...
As the Global Times, often used to float Beijing's proposals, stated, "the China-proposed global mechanism for mutually recognized health codes is taking shape." China's requirements for in-bound passengers, the paper noted, "can shed light on how a global mechanism for mutual health code recognition will look like."

There are, of course, hard-to-solve privacy concerns with a mandatory QR code. Who is going to trust any national government with information about health and travel information?

And who would administer such a system? Raina MacIntyre of the University of New South Wales, in the words of CNN, "suggested that a central database of information managed by the World Health Organization or a United Nations agency might be the least controversial way of creating a COVID tracking app."

The World Health Organization (WHO) would perhaps be the least trusted administrator, especially because that body has a questionable relationship with Beijing. WHO, after all, knew the coronavirus was highly contagious but nonetheless issued a January 14 tweet that helped China propagate the false narrative that the disease was not readily transmissible. Moreover, WHO took other actions, without justification, that made itself complicit in Beijing's spread of COVID-19 beyond that country's borders.
 
Old 05-28-2022, 06:24 PM
Status: "I don't understand. But I don't care, so it works out." (set 1 day ago)
 
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Originally Posted by JimRom View Post
Your optimistic view of the government's desire to protect children is misplaced. Uvalde proves that the government doesn't care.


Who said anything about teachers carrying AR-15s? Teachers should be allowed to carry though and in fact, teachers in Texas are allowed by state law - but the school district said no. It's obvious that the police were incapable of stopping the shooter, it would have been a good idea to have a responsible armed adult on the scene that was actually willing to engage him. Perhaps if a teacher had engaged him it would have given the police some testicular fortitude and they would have done their job.
JimRom.

This whole awful and tragic situation where cops didn't act, didn't come in through the windows, didn't somehow gain access to the classroom, appears to have been made by the School District Police Chief, who was not on site at the time he was telling them not to enter. One guy made that decision. There was enough time, it seems, that they could have overridden him by saying we're still hearing shots, kids are dying, permission to override your order? This didn't unfold in 5 minutes. It was an hour.

Additionally, one teacher (and we've all seen this done) propped a door open because she was needing to use it for something.

That's not "the government" not desiring to protect our children.

That's a perfect storm of human error.
 
Old 05-28-2022, 06:29 PM
 
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Originally Posted by ClaraC View Post
*snipped for being incredibly long*

Are you suggesting (it appears you are) that this entire tragedy is a hoax?

Ask Alex Jones how that worked out for him . . .
yep that is what it appears to be suggested - lol
 
Old 05-28-2022, 06:29 PM
 
Location: Retired in VT; previously MD & NJ
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Originally Posted by DRob4JC View Post
One theory...

Jan 2021 - China's push to control Americans' health care future

For all the polarization that grips Washington, here's a source of rare consensus: the emerging threat of China's push to acquire our health care data, including the DNA of American citizens. U.S. officials tell us the communist regime's aggressive collection of our most personal information presents a danger both to national security and our economy.

...
The authoritarian government of China and its leader Xi Jinping have been boldly open about their ambitions to beat the west and reap the benefits of advances in DNA science and technology.

...
Think of DNA as the ultimate treasure map, a kind of double-helixed chart containing the code for traits ranging from our eye color to our susceptibility to certain diseases. If you have 10,000 DNA samples, scientists could possibly isolate the genetic markers in the DNA associated with, say, breast cancer. But if you have 10 million samples, your statistical chances of finding the markers improve dramatically, which is why China wants to get so much of it.


This theory says China wants to corner the U.S. health care market and be the source of our DNA technology.


Also...

Nov 2020 - China Wants Your DNA—and It's up To No Good | Opinion

We need to further harmonize policies and standards and establish 'fast tracks' to facilitate the orderly flow of personnel," said Chinese ruler Xi Jinping to the virtual G20 Leaders' Summit on November 21. "China has proposed a global mechanism on the mutual recognition of health certificates based on nucleic acid test results in the form of internationally accepted QR codes. We hope more countries will join this mechanism."

No, this is not a benign proposal to facilitate international travel and trade. On the contrary, this is almost certainly another Chinese initiative to enlarge its collection of the DNA of the world's population.

And why does China want such sensitive data? Beijing is determined to dominate the biotech industry. Beijing may also be developing biological weapons designed to target certain ethnic groups.

...
As the Global Times, often used to float Beijing's proposals, stated, "the China-proposed global mechanism for mutually recognized health codes is taking shape." China's requirements for in-bound passengers, the paper noted, "can shed light on how a global mechanism for mutual health code recognition will look like."

There are, of course, hard-to-solve privacy concerns with a mandatory QR code. Who is going to trust any national government with information about health and travel information?

And who would administer such a system? Raina MacIntyre of the University of New South Wales, in the words of CNN, "suggested that a central database of information managed by the World Health Organization or a United Nations agency might be the least controversial way of creating a COVID tracking app."

The World Health Organization (WHO) would perhaps be the least trusted administrator, especially because that body has a questionable relationship with Beijing. WHO, after all, knew the coronavirus was highly contagious but nonetheless issued a January 14 tweet that helped China propagate the false narrative that the disease was not readily transmissible. Moreover, WHO took other actions, without justification, that made itself complicit in Beijing's spread of COVID-19 beyond that country's borders.

Ancestry.com and 23andMe are way ahead of your conspiracy theory about China and DNA. 23andMe's main purpose is medical research. Nobody needs to collect DNA from shooting victims to do medical research.

Quote:
More than 26 million people have taken an at-home ancestry test
https://www.technologyreview.com/201...ancestry-test/
 
Old 05-28-2022, 06:29 PM
 
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Originally Posted by TamaraSavannah View Post
Mighty fast, coordinated trigger pull to be able to achieve 10 rounds per second. It sounds like a falsehood someone put out in the media that people picked it up and ran with, proclaiming it true.
It’s a myth. The fastest shooter in the world can fire off 8 rounds in a second, using a specially configured revolver which has no cycle time like a semi auto does. That same guy holds the Guinness Word Record for firing 10 rounds with an AR15 in 1.59 seconds.

The cycle time varies on semi autos but it’s really a limitation that can not be overcome simply by how fast you can physically pull a trigger, as is illustrated by the difference between the revolver and the AR15 shot by the world’s fastest shooter. The first round needs to fire, then eject the spent casing, advance another round into the chamber to be fired again. That takes time.

For all of the regular folks with reasonable practice, 2 rounds per second would be about as fast as they could expect, with skilled shooters managing 3, and the highly skilled, maybe 4/sec, but that’s really pushing it.
 
Old 05-28-2022, 06:31 PM
 
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Originally Posted by thrillobyte View Post
Sounds unbelievable--horrifying even, but parents reportedly are being swabbed for DNA to identify bodies of the children, so badly were they shot up by the good for nothing gunman. This story is 4 days old and I haven't heard a word about it. If this was reported earlier I apologize.

https://www.theguardian.com/us-news/...08e646defadac6
I did hear about that. What a nightmare for these parents. It's beyond comprehension.
 
Old 05-28-2022, 06:32 PM
 
Location: NMB, SC
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I guess it's quicker than dental records
 
Old 05-28-2022, 06:33 PM
 
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Originally Posted by PullMyFinger View Post
My question is did the loser at the gun store ask this looney tunes and questions before he handed an assault rifle and 1000 rounds over? Wouldn’t just a couple of questions to an insane person give him pause.

I want him doxed.
I wonder if incidents like this will give gun stores pause about selling assault rifles and tons of ammunition to these young guys.
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