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Old 03-07-2022, 11:03 AM
 
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Originally Posted by Coolhand68 View Post
How so? They are insisting Ukraine surrender and meet their demands. Ukraine won't sit down to talks until Putin withdraws his troops, and that isn't happening either.

Of course they are sitting down and talking.

This is already third round of negotiations.

( One of the Ukrainian negotiators was shot in the head in Kiev upon return.
I am still trying to figure out what this was all about.)

 
Old 03-07-2022, 11:04 AM
 
Location: Orange County, CA
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Interesting tweet and video from a French lady living in the Ukraine:

https://twitter.com/mudsocksII/statu...32371375988742

Seems to indicate that Zelensky is a puppet who has banned opposition media and killed journalists (no different from Russia).

Seems to think that Zelensky is worse than any government that Putin will install if he wins lmao.
 
Old 03-07-2022, 11:05 AM
 
Location: Orange County, CA
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Do you understand that THERE ARE HUNDREDS OF THOUSANDS OF CIVILIANS trapped in the cities that Ukrainian troops/Nationalist Battalions keep hostage?

And this is one of the major reasons why Russians want to negotiate.

In spite of what the Western propaganda is telling you, Russians are not happy to see dead civilians.
The nationalist militias, and now the mercenaries, volunteers and criminals that were let out of jail, don't follow military discipline. They are thuggy and for them anything goes. The real soldiers have to follow orders and Geneva convention. But the Ukrainian "Rambo" fighters don't care.
 
Old 03-07-2022, 11:05 AM
 
Location: New York City
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Russia is cracking.

"LONDON, March 7 (Reuters) - Russia has told Ukraine it is ready to halt military operations "in a moment" if Kyiv meets a list of conditions, the Kremlin spokesman said on Monday."

LINK

Gotta love those Rooskies.
How is that cracking? Russia likely was expecting to split the country in half or at the very least the Eastern parts and black sea bordering areas
 
Old 03-07-2022, 11:09 AM
 
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The nationalist militias, and now the mercenaries, volunteers and criminals that were let out of jail, don't follow military discipline. They are thuggy and for them anything goes. The real soldiers have to follow orders and Geneva convention. But the Ukrainian "Rambo" fighters don't care.
Yes.
Unless the Nationalists are holding guns to THEIR heads.

And only if the regular troops are cooperating with the orders from above.
 
Old 03-07-2022, 11:10 AM
 
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They're doing something all right. They are hurting me and many others at the pump and in the grocery store. I don't believe they are hurting Russia at all.
 
Old 03-07-2022, 11:10 AM
 
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How is that cracking? Russia likely was expecting to split the country in half or at the very least the Eastern parts and black sea bordering areas

That's what it looks like for the time being, when I look at the map.
 
Old 03-07-2022, 11:11 AM
 
Location: New York City
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And what would you do, O wise one?
Pledge halt to NATO expansion, stop arming Ukraine, and drill for oil & gas in the US and Europe
 
Old 03-07-2022, 11:11 AM
 
Location: Louisiana
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And what would you do, O wise one?
"Drill baby, drill."
 
Old 03-07-2022, 11:12 AM
 
Location: Sector 001
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Neutral, please stop listening to western propaganda.

In eight years nationalist have transformed Ukraine (with NATO's help) into a Nazi held state masquerading as a 'democracy'.

Nazis burned civilians in Odessa alive and got off free. They bombed hospitals and were celebrated by the government. They refused to negotiate a peace treaty. They set up child soldier camps. They openly venerate Nazi collaborators and build statues in their honor and officiate holidays for them.

Now Russia will dismantle this state, as should be done. Why doesn't CNN tell you that in Mariupol, Azov shoots civilians trying to escape. Or how Zelensky wanted civilians armed so they will be targeted and would gain international sympathy?

It has worked on you, but sadly the criminals are on their last legs.

This is the side I hear when I do digging and never know what to believe. Propaganda put out by any nation should not be trusted. I remain neutral. For me the media is suffering from "boy who cried wolf" syndrome... I'm not inclined to believe anything they or the western establishment have to say, period.

The extreme left and extreme right are closer to each other than anyone in the middle, if you envision the political spectrum more like a horseshoe. The further you get from the middle, the more polarized people become and the more they want to tell the opposition what to do and control people's lives via micro-managing including use of media propaganda and censorship.
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