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Apparently Zelensky has banned opposition parties deemed 'pro Russian'. I don't see how this can be construed as democratic or acceptable conduct for a nation that's trying to present itself as in the right.
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Originally Posted by cdnirene
From your own link, the pro-Russian parties are banned for the duration of the war. Since Russia is trying to destroy Ukraine, why should Ukraine allow parties that promote the country’s destruction?
Presumably the legislative body will have a say in finalizing any changes to Ukraine's geographical boundaries that result from Zelensky - Putin negotiations? However that plays out, Ukrainians will have died to protect territory. To then permit separatists (even outside Donbass) to potentially vote it away or disrupt the process strikes me as a problem.
Ukraine has a democratic structure but undeniably corruption impacts that democracy. For example, oligarchs fund parties to further their interests. No doubt Putin-fed Russian money is behind some of the Russian-oriented parties.
Once the country begins functioning again then, of course, all elected representatives should have input, for example in any fourth change to language policy within the Ukraine constitution.
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Originally Posted by Pryvete
What I've read is that they many of them support negotiating with Russia on matters pertaining to the breakaway regions and defending the usage of Russian language in the country but condemn the invasion that Russia has perpetrated. Hardly warranted for complete banning of their functionalism.
You know that and I do too. The question is the presentation of Ukraine in western media as some sort of vanguard for democracy when it obviously isn't.
By chance, think I ended up saying something about this above. Opposing the invasion - who doesn't really, particularly if you call yourself a Ukrainian - does not mean they necessarily oppose separatism. You just said it yourself.
More, I don't know that Zelensky should be negotiating with Putin on changes to the constitution involving language. Regional defense issues like NATO may well be included in the negotiation. But at some point if Ukraine is to remain a country internal matters cannot be Putin-dictated.
Unfortunately it looks like EU-status is also going to be on Putin's list. That's a problem because it is EU pressure that was gradually reducing the power of the oligarchs leading to a more functional democracy. Still, Ukraine had a ways to go, no disagreement. The Ukrainian oligarchy like the Russian resulted from the corrupt processes in play during the break-up of the USSR.
Oligarchs can be useful in some situations. For example, it was oligarch money that funded the militias that successfully defended the state against Russian interests in 2014-15. One can hope the Russian oligarchy may have the power and the will to curb Putin ending this disaster.
Last edited by EveryLady; 03-21-2022 at 03:56 PM..
"Democracy" in the Ukraine is pro Russia or pro West. That is their equivalent to D and R here.
That is how they vote; that is their "party" system.
Gosh almighty. Ukraine is NOTHING like that simple. I mean just like no way. One thing I agree with Erasure on is that it is one of the most complex situations around, which is what she said fascinated her. Unfortunately (from my perspective) she chose to view it thru a highly ideological lens that IMHO, well leave it at that.
By the way, the same is true for all the pronouncements about the ww2 era and Ukrainian emigre politics and the militia structure today, which ITSELF is highly fragmented and competitive.
But don’t let facts stop you from your nationalism bias.
Slap your head some more, I was responding to a post that used Agent Orange as an example. Can't read your paywall link but isolated accidents are not the same thing as consistent policy, in my opinion.
There's propaganda on BOTH sides ... Ghost of Kviv comes immediately to mind. And most recently was the UK Times pushing the hysterical propaganda that the Russian cosmonauts yellow uniform was them supporting Ukraine.
None of this war propaganda would be happening if Russia had stayed inside Russia.
Agreed anyone backing Russia in this thread can't get past that fact.
Americans are united on this....and you know why....it's not that complicated. Russia invaded Ukraine and people all across the political spectrum think that as pointed out in the article Russia's actions in Ukraine are not justified. the American people are not buying onto the clap trap denazification claims or the latent bio-chem labs claims. Why?? Because they are absurd. Fin.
Americans Have Extremely Negative Views of Russia, Putin
As would be supposed given Americans' support for Ukraine in the face of the Russian invasion, the public has very negative opinions of Russia and its leader, Vladimir Putin, with concomitantly positive views of Ukraine and its leader Volodymyr Zelenskyy.
YouGov recently asked the public a derivative of a forced-choice ballot question: "In the conflict between Russia and Ukraine, who do you sympathize with more?" The not-shocking result showed Ukraine "winning" over Russia by 73% to 6%, with the rest saying "neither" or "not sure." A Monmouth poll showed 89% of Americans saying Russia's actions in Ukraine are not justified.
^^^Just read your article and update. Holy smokes!
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Ukraine, with the help of Belarusian railway workers, have dealt a devastating blow to Vladimir Putin's war plans. On Saturday, Belarusian railway workers carried out the "largest act of sabotage" on train lines leading into Ukraine, making it impossible for the Russians to resupply by train.
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